Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.053 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.07; 'handling,': 0.09; 'magazines': 0.09; 'sat,': 0.13; 'programs.': 0.15; '"write': 0.16; '(those': 0.16; 'garbage': 0.16; 'losing': 0.16; 'salaries,': 0.16; 'salaries.': 0.16; 'silly': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; 'programming': 0.21; 'wrote:': 0.21; 'function': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'memory': 0.27; 'guys': 0.27; 'command': 0.28; 'dan': 0.29; 'code': 0.29; 'chris': 0.32; 'guess': 0.32; 'could': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'stopped': 0.35; 'received:76': 0.35; 'why': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'languages': 0.37; "we're": 0.38; 'being': 0.39; 'doing': 0.39; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mar': 0.61; 'course,': 0.61; 'managers': 0.61; 'back': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'personal': 0.65; '2012': 0.69; 'lose': 0.79; 'automatic': 0.81; '+1100': 0.84; 'executives': 0.93; 'ads': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=tombstonezero.net; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=key1; bh=prcrouOs4OrSs378GKsssa+amGE=; b=WhKbcU9DB2YGhnULhY0LBk3EXQiD2r4i3PHL6tskArq2NEupkOgR6GxImBhyhqpaPkeTBhg8T5NkLNeJH9g8hQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=tombstonezero.net; q=dns; s=key1; b=BQjxnxV2+q+qR+p85nllTkzBvWg+QkAMb6oFWwZOsvAi9PZlzQKvEc7Ese6Yxe5SS3NiHWXdAD1blFuVF6vhxw== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at 5013.mail.vm.your-site.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Sommers To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python is readable In-Reply-To: References: <4f612b19$0$1379$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it> <4f750f9f$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f752a3a$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f758f43$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1333140695 news.xs4all.nl 6961 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44747 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:22395 On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:20:39 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: > ... That's why we're all still programming in assembly language and > doing our own memory management, because we would lose a lot of > personal value if programming stopped being so difficult. If it > weren't for all these silly new-fangled languages with their automatic > garbage collection and higher order function handling, we would all be > commanding much higher salaries. Back in the 1970's, the magazines were full of ads for "never write another line of code again" programs. A keystroke here, a keystroke there (those were the days *before* drag-and-drop and point-and-drool), and even managers and executives could "write programs." Now, of course, those managers and executives still command higher salaries, so I guess ChrisA is right about us assembly language guys losing our personal value. Dan