Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'url:au': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'conventions': 0.07; 'high-profile': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'highlight': 0.16; 'language?': 0.16; 'naming': 0.16; 'neutral': 0.16; 'offense,': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'sorry,': 0.24; 'subject:community': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'world,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'specifically': 0.29; 'rest': 0.29; '[1]': 0.29; '[2]': 0.30; 'nature': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'community': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'are,': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'university': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; "you're": 0.61; 'term': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'taking': 0.65; 'benefit': 0.68; 'production': 0.68; 'warrant': 0.68; 'social': 0.69; 'offended': 0.84; '2013,': 0.91; 'suspension.': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OuLgPi6lFcurfhbPtNfORWbgpSpqRPopLyPXHrl9KEk=; b=a7ovqu29mMLEJe5i+d1L2T0TcVM8sFU0ApYtrZEmo4becfkBn1xx2fQegSBpcE4wi6 yJlZDGyERdlbk1Ey+aGU2dJsoz6+md4EWAD6Q6uC85w1DuS0szAFoBV2p9z5nPkSZkJx Bj7JB/hSjvLsiwLp2ROyuMZltAYhnmkWeMpMNJq1GhZkv6RK27cZw7eJ7UPW4eW246BK bHCIofOu6Y47v7JwFCP75j2RlsxqPuekyg3U+I8utDEAinYPGV6bMqDAWK/kpvqj+fwp y4J88bye0qOVkguXcOPvyLeEvWuUr9sby8AGbdEwCkNOK13dXEg0MnF/Yh00vbGkR0A0 I6RQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.157.165 with SMTP id wn5mr2393571pab.169.1382007940865; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 04:05:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1382005827.12809.35085345.3253018D@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <2013101623133337485-owenjacobson@grimoireca> <1382005827.12809.35085345.3253018D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:05:40 +1100 Subject: Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382007952 news.xs4all.nl 15975 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44550 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:56952 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM, wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > [...] >> 2. What kind of social pressure can we bring to bear to _keep_ Python's >> package naming conventions as socially neutral as they are, if and when >> some high-profile dirtbag decides this language is the best language? >> How can we apply the same pressures to other parts of the Python >> community? > > I'm sorry, but as a member of the hygenically-challenged community I am > greatly offended by the term "dirtbag". He didn't mean you, he specifically said "high-profile". Apropos of this whole thing of giving and taking offense, I'm currently crewing a production [2] of Princess Ida [2], in which - in her university - a set of chessmen was enough of a crime to warrant expulsion, and a sketch of a perambulator (double perambulator, shameless girl!) was met with a three-term suspension. Yet in the rest of the world, neither is in the least offensive. Of course, this is an exaggeration for the benefit of opera, but it does highlight the fickle nature of offensiveness... ChrisA [1] http://gilbertandsullivan.org.au/ - come see us if you're in Melbourne, AU! [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Ida