Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.085 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.83; '*S*': 0.00; 'forcing': 0.07; 'worse': 0.07; 'given,': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.11; 'broken': 0.12; 'wrote:': 0.15; 'do)': 0.16; 'objectively': 0.16; 'plethora': 0.16; 'method.': 0.16; 'received:74.125.82.174': 0.19; 'received :mail-wy0-f174.google.com': 0.19; 'input': 0.21; "doesn't": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'trying': 0.23; 'indentation': 0.23; 'code': 0.24; 'suspect': 0.25; "i'm": 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; '(even': 0.29; "he's": 0.29; 'do.': 0.30; 'argue': 0.30; 'sun,': 0.30; 'despite': 0.32; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.34; 'there': 0.34; 'that,': 0.35; 'community': 0.35; '17,': 0.35; 'impression': 0.37; 'some': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'think': 0.38; 'talk': 0.39; 'received:74.125.82': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'format': 0.40; 'received:74.125': 0.40; 'give': 0.60; 'our': 0.63; 'constantly': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'believe': 0.66; 'attention': 0.69; 'spaces': 0.73; 'subject:have': 0.74; 'believes': 0.77; 'alternative.': 0.84; 'huh?': 0.84; 'phases': 0.84; 'reasoning': 0.84; 'subject:should': 0.84; 'good,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=wRIW3DHnbgmmK7pDabbQSWfNYeBOf9ZwSi6cT0eiuX0=; b=ReEg62c6IjC3w+V0BQ0wJiOOCmPFJuLw//y8uQg842gEoNIvtgqC6aVN0Mq/aJ0yxU PacrBmb1zdFyYamuRu83axdDwkYCIdiYe6ESLddk6c70p3Jm8whn/l/e+Ws6lsh+ptet Y/QglBSW5I40JJcWWpt+dHIiTK9ymhKCarhvU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4e225255$0$29990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <4e225255$0$29990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: anand jeyahar Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:29:41 +0530 Subject: Re: Tabs -vs- Spaces: Tabs should have won. To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1310875202 news.xs4all.nl 23951 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37046 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:9673 On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 08:39, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > I have reluctantly come to do the same thing. There is a plethora of broken > tools out there that don't handle tabs well, and consequently even though > tabs for indentation are objectively better, I use spaces because it is > less worse than the alternative. > > Victory of worse-is-better. Here too. I prefer the 8-space tabs for the simplicity of the input method. (even while deleting 1 keystroke will do) > > > [...] > > | Some would argue that allowing both tabs and spaces is freedom, > > | however this line of reasoning is flawed. Allowing a programmer to > > | format his code in way he pleases is bad, bad, bad. As a member of a > > | community we must all format our code in the same manner. > > > > This leads me to think you're just trolling. > > Slow learner, huh? :) > > I'm not sure which is worse... that Rick is trolling, and we still give him > the attention he craves, or that he honestly believes this crap. > > I suspect the later. I get the impression that he genuinely has so little > self-awareness that he doesn't notice that for all his talk about FREEDOM, > he's constantly trying to deny it to others by forcing them to do what he > wants them to do. (denying others freedom) Ha that he is. But given, i sometimes do go into these phases (complete and utter lack of self-awareness) i am not complaining... Despite all of that, i do believe it will be for the greater good, if all of us *decide* to use 8-space tabs.