Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.058 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'anyway.': 0.05; 'problem?': 0.07; 'pep': 0.09; 'spaces': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'foo,': 0.16; 'indent': 0.16; 'lie': 0.16; 'pep8': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'travis': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'looks': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'mix': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'supposed': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'up.': 0.33; 'reader': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'ryan': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'trading': 0.61; 'lost': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'fashion': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'brain': 0.68; 'jul': 0.74; '"modern"': 0.84; '2014,': 0.84; 'alone.': 0.84; 'picture.': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=YOMyaygy1z9cRB6n6D+XE5jTo3NGZHVozQmQITP+mtw=; b=0sFchbP06CAycG22AoOkxS2rz1sg7ubuqs0yGONdxNOoOArYgyOdtcFSEjKSfP+Ber NeosIt5yUbeVnk2n/un3/E0DS3sy7k59eYqRxxl+ZsA9UeXfzROQX4G1n5AfISt3ZXL8 4KBae/nHz0fMr3TU6N7/UL7sPJyT5B8ss20rmkE6Noh078AZz60VIfbOV9qKrh6XVKpO 5XOhfmPvm5rkHpUBkGthKvsu7xokyy/XEcYYcjavHgG4SrGmsSJb9IagSFNcpVriSJc9 D3CSd3PmPBNwvKovF/Qy+Oaa+YacbHF7LBDRUcSAz1mSMjljztg2Rp6+D97cd93QLPyb JqtA== X-Received: by 10.70.14.227 with SMTP id s3mr14726201pdc.88.1404546708200; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 00:51:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <53B59358.2040404@tobiah.org> <53b6019f$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D201) From: Travis Griggs Subject: Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 00:51:32 -0700 To: Lie Ryan Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1404546716 news.xs4all.nl 2908 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36022 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:73989 > On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:29, Lie Ryan wrote: >=20 >> On 04/07/14 07:55, Gregory Ewing wrote: >> Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>=20 >>>> That's exactly the problem with tabs - whatever you think your code >>>> looks like with tabs, other people will see quite different picture. >>>=20 >>> Why do you consider this a problem? >>=20 >> It's a problem if you try to use tabs for lining things >> up in a tabular fashion in your source code. >>=20 >> The solution is not to use tabs for that -- only use >> tabs for indentation, and use spaces for everything >> else. Or, as PEP 8 suggests, don't try to line things >> up in the first place. >=20 > PEP8 suggests using this style of method invocation: >=20 > obj.method(foo, > bar, > baz) >=20 > which is an effect impossible to do correctly with tabs alone. If you want= to follow this style strictly, you end up having to either mix tabs and spa= ces, or just use spaces, or as I prefer it, avoid the issue altogether: >=20 > obj.method( > foo, > bar, > baz, > ) Ok, here's irony. I'm looking at that thinking "what the heck is he talking a= bout?!?". And then my brain catches up. My mail reader is of course "modern"= and does not use a mono space font. So the value of the along ed indent is l= ost anyway. But wasn't that what spaces were supposed to give us over tabs, s= ome separation from the trading betwixt different editors? Chuckle. Travis Griggs