Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'plenty': 0.07; 'lines:': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'width': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '80.': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'defence': 0.16; 'exception:': 0.16; 'url:pep-0008': 0.16; 'url:peps': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'variable': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'char': 0.24; 'library,': 0.24; 'stick': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'url:dev': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'external': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; '-----': 0.33; 'projects.': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'jason': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'users': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'limit': 0.70; 'skip:n 40': 0.81; 'fonts': 0.84; 'url:03': 0.84; 'url:2013': 0.84; '\xa0there': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5DVjg2+IFsMKHdoExUDXUAE64WbB3QbkeETFWV4ESiQ=; b=NdfiwguRkVs5yJogniy3sLFJJ5UBRt1OFQcacLGA5nZjd15P2Z+P3WNqd2OHP7yQF+ ok0a2wqDVlFrDLjIHQLhhDxkq8MW1KkcCGiFA9qdW2W1776icISr6q9fHWTVYnB95Yet RWgpKvlzDISFMTLUM1Xi1zW4SivOGe6OmiHdh/+2WkWj7OkTHPhEM7ZBmIJHst+Q0tcS 7XnEH1i9Jw/EPUaUFHf72KmApTmKTq9Zzj+Lx2cWsYSJ+Al4TAgwEDj3yXMwAEKpFX8L 9+VtdK39yPO98TRtrlYyFoUBRRdErgvTLiQZ7A+x7xi2W5vGIiyA1KIUT3+Yw4sbR1F4 84iA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.87.2 with SMTP id t2mr4717756igz.19.1365109253548; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <515cd919$0$29966$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:00:53 -0400 Subject: Re: In defence of 80-char lines From: Jason Swails To: jmfauth Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111b16424771404d98f4418 Cc: python list X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365109256 news.xs4all.nl 6979 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43519 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:42778 --089e0111b16424771404d98f4418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM, jmfauth wrote: > On 4 avr, 03:36, Steven D'Aprano +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > > Although PEP 8 is only compulsory for the Python standard library, many > > users like to stick to PEP 8 for external projects. > > > > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ > > > > With perhaps one glaring exception: many people hate, or ignore, PEP 8's > > recommendation to limit lines to 80 characters. (Strictly speaking, 79 > > characters.) > > > > Here is a good defence of 80 char lines: > > > > http://wrongsideofmemphis.com/2013/03/25/80-chars-per-line-is-great/ > > > > -- > > Steven > > ----- > > With "unicode fonts", Didn't see this coming. > where even the monospaced fonts > present char widths with a variable width depending on > the unicode block (obvious reasons), speaking of a "text > width" in chars has not even a sense. > Let's log this as an exception to the rule of 80. There are plenty of threads not-about-Unicode-but-are-now-about-Unicode that we don't have to create another one. Jason --089e0111b16424771404d98f4418 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, A= pr 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM, jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote= :
On 4 avr, 03:36, Steven D'Aprano <steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwoo= d.info> wrote:
> Although PEP 8 is only compulsory for the Python standard library, man= y
> users like to stick to PEP 8 for external projects.
>
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
>
> With perhaps one glaring exception: many people hate, or ignore, PEP 8= 's
> recommendation to limit lines to 80 characters. (Strictly speaking, 79=
> characters.)
>
> Here is a good defence of 80 char lines:
>
> http://wrongsideofmemphis.com/2013/03/25/80-ch= ars-per-line-is-great/
>
> --
> Steven

-----

With "unicode fonts",

Didn't see this coming.
where even the monospaced fonts
present char widths with a variable width depending on
the unicode block (obvious reasons), speaking of a "text
width" in chars has not even a sense.

<= div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">Let's log this a= s an exception to the rule of 80. =A0There are plenty of threads not-about-= Unicode-but-are-now-about-Unicode that we don't have to create another = one.

Jason
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