Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'perl,': 0.07; 'semantic': 0.07; 'subject:Python': 0.07; 'case.': 0.09; 'space.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'sat,': 0.13; '"things': 0.16; 'bash,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'when,': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; 'programming': 0.21; 'wrote:': 0.21; 'exists': 0.22; 'received:209.85.213.46': 0.22; 'received :mail-yw0-f46.google.com': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'idea': 0.26; 'linux': 0.26; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'extent': 0.29; 'setting': 0.30; 'aside': 0.30; 'script': 0.31; 'received:209.85': 0.32; 'gets': 0.32; 'received:google.com': 0.32; 'installing': 0.33; 'possible,': 0.33; 'starting': 0.34; 'received:209': 0.35; 'should': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'that,': 0.37; 'some': 0.37; 'several': 0.38; 'called': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'think': 0.40; 'long': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mar': 0.61; 'simply': 0.65; 'believe': 0.67; '2012': 0.69; '12:46': 0.84; 'nathan': 0.84; 'optimum': 0.93; 'absolutely': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BvyjajiWZL8JbtQnKPLyDjd6Q2FWovcMQOpsEvzWeEI=; b=n5NKXFZdi/MXzpMHKbThCiIxWhzp9u12FP6i8tl1dKIcj2tGe+kwHIa/hG7TttE1b7 05OZpaOd+oSRIg0aO31a2M2Ph0yrEgYGea2Pnt6opeXfVvGECyaToR5whNHaTHKGlU0Z lBdZlxhxu/DNeBwFzU6w54ZqMfAnVXFLfr7UsFiAogi5eVZW4m1P09ieyvfGHFLR/cnT TaItegXURtAm3S42L5BkBSk/k2K3mp/sdkcSoWcwbdKR1zDVoS/iolBXEy421qiLea1E zCMVKB2TaOwDVYKLBxpg2+1mSIkQPx7IBYK0q2ZOlxG9jDFsb+EMs8UMQh5GV1wu5bM7 wWrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4f612b19$0$1379$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it> <4f750f9f$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f752a3a$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f758f43$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:20:35 +1100 Subject: Re: Python is readable From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1333124439 news.xs4all.nl 6951 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44823 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:22384 On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Nathan Rice wrote: > I believe in the idea of "things should be as simple as possible, but > not simpler". =A0Programming as it currently exists is absolutely > convoluted. =A0I am called on to help people learn to program from time > to time, and I can tell you that we still have a LONG way to go before > programming approaches a global optimum in either the semantic or > syntactic space. Aside from messes of installing and setting up language interpreters/compilers, which are averted by simply having several pre-installed (I think my Linux boxes come with some Python 2 version, Perl, bash, and a few others), that isn't really the case. Starting a Python script is easy. Programming gets convoluted only when, and to the extent that, the task does. ChrisA