Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'broken': 0.04; 'configure': 0.05; 'plenty': 0.07; 'coders': 0.09; 'feature.': 0.09; 'spaces': 0.09; 'width': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; 'editor,': 0.16; 'exceptions,': 0.16; 'folks,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'highlight': 0.16; 'ides': 0.16; 'tab': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'width,': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'looked': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'platforms': 0.22; 'comfortable': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'specify': 0.24; 'tend': 0.24; 'guys': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'source': 0.25; 'switch': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'option': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'maybe': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'display': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; "who's": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'users': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'times': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'love': 0.65; 'default': 0.69; 'eight': 0.74; 'jul': 0.74; 'involved.': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'insane': 0.93; 'lot,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=oYckFng5HkyFwLbMdrEdhgrhPnPaQ7zsjb1DAn6QJYk=; b=hkKru/sy1Xed719t3Na51WZItw4CoPMH9Jki1QExFC/ovzHFA1ZBj1bLL4hLcmKpNH 7NpXsXltnaS+jt1ZXdENhvDyqLFUH1LnnkKq4UpRRPPvcY+ly+DFRCfBUCjJJRARPrxM HM8wcm1m9Y/z+shbfseqBfnEi3ACTS+yAVJfm17h2KCIPAKYbByXRPnVVgLtaueoZj/I z6HHe9CUAP1B/53aS8DfcgLv6oDDEJIqErvRlaB+qXFQdTh4tA0DOtDw7u1OtUYVXs/N 3tPTdKTPmgUkrkz88wzPJNSF8P4YYuPpITZOKvvTZ1ApqsNDqeZ6+OsB8LPd/auyGhLB 40/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.101.168 with SMTP id fh8mr4204643vdb.34.1404436784890; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:19:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53b5fd2f$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <53b5fd2f$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:19:44 +1000 Subject: Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1404436792 news.xs4all.nl 2943 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55338 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:73931 On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > As I understand it, Unix coders tend to prefer spaces, and Windows users > tend to be more comfortable with tabs. This isn't a hard-and-fast rule, > you'll find plenty of exceptions, but it seems to me that Unix tools are > unforgiving of tabs while Windows IDEs tend to default to tabs. I'm not a > Windows person myself, any Windows guys like to comment? I've worked both platforms extensively, and it's not really as clear-cut as that. Most Unix tools are perfectly happy with tabs, *as long as you let them mean eight spaces*; a lot, but not all, have an option to configure tab width, but you have to specify it to every program separately. On the flip side, tab configurability can be a huge feature. There've been times when I've looked at something with the tab width set to something insane like 7 or 9 (no, folks, I did not say "7 of 9") to highlight a display bug or other oddity. Not often, but it has its uses - and you can't do that if there are actual spaces involved. Anyone who's using a broken editor should fix it or switch editors. That's easy. And if you really love your editor, sometimes you can fix the issue outside it - maybe in a source control hook. ChrisA