Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Dennis Lee Bieber Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] How the heck does async/await work in Python 3.5 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:37:38 -0500 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <56c7d145$0$1597$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <56CCC98C.5060504@mail.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de F5b0HKkPhFMaNEl0mxCx9A02bMCaS+5YMwwal79Ovdqw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'url:msdn': 0.07; 'subject:How': 0.09; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'similar,': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'exception': 0.13; 'thu,': 0.15; '(well,': 0.16; '2016': 0.16; 'amiga': 0.16; 'different,': 0.16; 'gregory': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'seconds,': 0.16; 'subject:ideas': 0.16; 'url:85)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'url:home': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'windows': 0.20; 'suppose': 0.22; 'feb': 0.23; 'words': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'looks': 0.29; 'block,': 0.29; 'i/o': 0.29; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'print': 0.30; 'subject:/': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.30; 'seconds': 0.31; 'supposed': 0.31; 'probably': 0.31; 'common': 0.33; 'flags': 0.33; 'channel': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'skip:> 10': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'mode': 0.36; 'subject:work': 0.36; 'url:library': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'received:org': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'itself': 0.38; 'skip:p 20': 0.38; 'url:en': 0.39; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'takes': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'future': 0.60; 'close': 0.61; 'skip:u 10': 0.61; 'real': 0.62; 'fire': 0.63; 'believe': 0.66; 'rare': 0.66; 'url:%28': 0.66; 'url:%29': 0.66; 'url:%1': 0.67; 'url:en-us': 0.72; 'treats': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-73-119-73.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21rc2 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103475 On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:00:29 +1300, Gregory Ewing declaimed the following: >?? wrote: >> Suppose io_operation() takes 3 seconds, then how can I write something like >> >> future = io_operation() >> print('Start') >> time.sleep(1) >> print('Something') >> time.sleep(2) >> print(future.result()) >> >> that print 'Start' immediately and the result of io_operation() 3 seconds >> later. > >Yes, Python can do this, but you probably need to use real >threads. The only exception would be if io_operation() were >something you could fire off with a single system call that's >guaranteed not to block, and then wait for the result later. >Opportunities for things like that are rare in unix. >(Windows might be different, I'm not sure.) > But was common under VMS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QIO I believe Windows is supposed to be similar, but QIO status words and event flags were understandable to me (and close match to AmigaOS too ); Windows somehow treats the I/O channel itself as the waitable object (well, looks like one embeds it into the I/O call -- but has to create the channel in "overlapped" mode where VMS differentiated on the I/O call itself: QIO vs QIOW; Amiga differentiated with DoIO and SendIO) https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms686358%28v=vs.85%29.aspx http://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/Exec_Device_I/O#Synchronous_vs._Asynchronous_Requests -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/