Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.115 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.77; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'languages,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.07; 'subject:Number': 0.09; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'do.': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; 'fri,': 0.18; 'received:209.85.210.174': 0.20; 'received:mail- iy0-f174.google.com': 0.20; 'programming': 0.21; 'wrote:': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'language,': 0.23; 'maintain': 0.24; 'written': 0.24; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'equivalent': 0.27; 'possible.': 0.28; 'that.': 0.28; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'universal': 0.29; 'together.': 0.29; 'done.': 0.30; 'received:209.85': 0.32; 'received:209.85.210': 0.32; 'chris': 0.32; 'received:google.com': 0.32; 'mention': 0.33; 'thu,': 0.33; 'received:209': 0.35; 'sql': 0.35; 'tasks': 0.35; 'keeps': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'languages': 0.37; 'being': 0.39; "can't": 0.39; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.39; 'allow': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mar': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.62; 'most': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'to.': 0.64; 'easy': 0.65; 'different': 0.65; 'because,': 0.66; 'luck': 0.66; 'kept': 0.67; 'making': 0.67; '2012': 0.69; '30,': 0.70; '10:03': 0.84; 'everything.': 0.84; 'mutually': 0.84; 'either:': 0.91; '29,': 0.93; 'political': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QNmGscNk0PYqMgH5m+ikD+HP2nYPJ61EF2HJ3iZc/98=; b=stOAXULuT7rM+L/+oqioLSby8dzl1m5mvmHUEeDnu/B07T4elJNEGDPEACzmB3rG9T Zg/ro/eu3GDGQYhc3M5j/pwJJp5wJgC9zm/PlnFt8j0oNc4JdUpCVPhdjQEuN6JRfQVv SJhr1DL9Fl0mxkiGuUnecnqr+WvKEwRS0JBwQM7K6Y5DB0XVKzmHNJvA5wlG6T8bjM2q AKnRVZl3oNyKq3x93lYFNXYrphFOvzdqabjvgI2Iqpq1jDMCh/9eXrUjSVuRgkU3bNCu 3c1gqG7tHlGWUHag6EvifkZ/i86kMxKUj5c02XCbc9aIRMx+x48ugUwsupzlMc0mfK4j F+Lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:33:47 +1100 Subject: Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1333053229 news.xs4all.nl 6952 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:22359 On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> You can't merge all of them without making a language that's >> suboptimal at most of those tasks - probably, one that's woeful at all >> of them. I mention SQL because, even if you were to unify all >> programming languages, you'd still need other non-application >> languages to get the job done. > ... > But this has nothing to do with being "suboptimal at most tasks". It's > easy to make a language that can do everything C can do, and also > everything that Haskell can do. I can write an implementation of this > programming language in one line of bash[*]. The easy way is to make > those features mutually exclusive. We don't have to sacrifice anything > by including more features until we want them to work together. Of course it's POSSIBLE. You can write everything in Ook if you want to. But any attempt to merge all programming languages into one will either: 1) Allow different parts of a program to be written in different subsets of this universal language, which just means that you've renamed all the languages but kept their distinctions (so a programmer still has to learn all of them); or 2) Shoehorn every task into one language, equivalent to knowing only one language and using that for everything. Good luck with that. The debate keeps on coming up, but it's not just political decisions that maintain language diversity. ChrisA