Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'level,': 0.07; 'objects,': 0.09; 'oop': 0.09; 'things,': 0.09; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'guessing': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'subject:Java': 0.16; 'those,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; 'machine': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; 'otherwise,': 0.22; 'oriented': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; '(i.e.': 0.33; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'visual': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; "you're": 0.61; 'real': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; 'disrupt': 0.84; 'inheritance,': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LXG1qmbtfVlNsVqLLRnJI93KxDZT6UOhkf5iyhc0Q+Y=; b=z3yrUDC9aNpeO7Zp0jGP+m51mfI3twuXbQWIeHFBY7pHStcBYd/Kx2h8/1iyKoy0s7 vkFYxA7MtPD8kWS8vwf6UqUjJ3vQynNMI5G/TVmWDFUH+FMY3MxSLDFKuo6ezlL1h4VO qMPk9i0WRqNxosuQuYvL62gV5AR3rq4RQqH5Ut0O286D5LNtQVFQGo9zFbaHWxmLGoX7 BiWIxoDMTsHKNqaJvrnpjwq884l+4WDfLLBOBGkzAxVLFRsrcMoP04cgNLhPTjaPMg30 DPCdWo+lajGs0A+prBqpLQje4Ayp0wD5VVEI/+fnciK4SZc8LFy94t8WNG2uaVDX5qUa UHpw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.196.110 with SMTP id il14mr6256579pac.130.1381969706336; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:28:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:28:26 +1100 Subject: Re: Python was designed (was Re: Multi-threading in Python vs Java) From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1381969715 news.xs4all.nl 15934 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38498 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:56916 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Mark Janssen wrote: > But, here it is significant that the user /consumer (i.e. *at the > workstation* mind you) is *making* the "object" because thier visual > system turns it into one. Otherwise, at the C-level, I'm guessing > it's normal C code without objects, only struct-ured data. That is, > you don't get all the OOP benefits like inheritance, polymorphism and > encapsulation. C can do 2 of those, albeit kludgingly, but not all > three. And without all three, it's not at all well-established that > you're doing real OOP. Wrong. At the C level, it's all still objects, with inheritance, polymorphism, and encapsulation. Piles and piles of boilerplate to make things work, and you have to compile your .IDL file into C and then fill in your code, and make sure you don't disrupt things, but it works beautifully. It's object oriented machine code. ChrisA