Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Mark Lawrence Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: The Cost of Dynamism (was Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 22:43:15 +0000 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <8737rvxs89.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <56e7483d$0$1608$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <56ef9787$0$1516$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <56f02196$0$1588$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8737rgnepk.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de w8p8UwxV/k9xXdByr/VCYAGNYclmMfujIeNzhwLuUBLg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; "'a'": 0.07; 'algorithms,': 0.07; 'correct.': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'runtime': 0.09; 'subject:which': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'thursday,': 0.13; "'b'": 0.16; "'c'": 0.16; '2016': 0.16; '24,': 0.16; 'bytecode': 0.16; 'equivalence': 0.16; 'received:194.126': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:?)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'really,': 0.29; 'such.': 0.29; 'language.': 0.32; 'optimize': 0.33; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'data': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'care': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'subject:The': 0.61; 'received:194': 0.61; 'programs': 0.62; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'our': 0.64; 'march': 0.64; 'finance': 0.74; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'streamlining': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 248.80.126.194.pool.dsl.daisyplc.net X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:105658 On 24/03/2016 14:37, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 7:46:55 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> BartC : >> >>> And forgetting Python for a minute and concentrating only on its >>> byte-code as a language in its own right, how would you go about the >>> job of streamlining it? > >> Really, your optimization efforts should concentrate not on bytecode but >> on runtime data structures, algorithms, heuristics, equivalence >> transformations, reachability analysis, profiling and such. > > 'A' is a scientific programmer; he optimizes his scientific programs > 'C' is a financial programmer; he optimizes his finance programs > 'B(art)' is a bytecode-interpreter programmer; How does he optimize his bytecode > interpreters? > 'A' makes sure as best they can that their program is correct. 'C' makes sure as best they can that their program is correct. 'B' doesn't care provided it is quick. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence