Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'win32': 0.03; 'output': 0.04; 'sys': 0.05; 'arguments': 0.07; 'formatting': 0.07; 'lines.': 0.07; 'newline': 0.07; 'subject:question': 0.08; 'python': 0.09; 'convenience': 0.09; 'formatted': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; '"2"': 0.16; '(converted': 0.16; '2.7.2': 0.16; 'and)': 0.16; 'emit': 0.16; 'inc.)': 0.16; 'otoh,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'textual': 0.16; 'written,': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'translate': 0.20; 'equivalent': 0.20; 'skip:" 30': 0.20; 'written': 0.20; 'bit': 0.21; 'import': 0.21; 'do.': 0.21; 'supposed': 0.21; 'separate': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'this?': 0.28; 'positioned': 0.29; 'function': 0.30; 'print': 0.32; 'skip:s 30': 0.33; 'text,': 0.33; 'url:home': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'doing': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'drop': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'object': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'space': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'provide': 0.62; 'different': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'dennis': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: newbie ``print`` question Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 16:37:35 -0400 Organization: > Bestiaria Support Staff < References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-253-110-76.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1346618276 news.xs4all.nl 6973 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48627 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:28314 On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 10:23:53 -0700 (PDT), gwhite declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > > "A space is written before each object is (converted and) written, > unless the output system believes it is positioned at the beginning of > a line." > > So it is apparently doing what it is supposed to do. > > Is there a way to stop this? Or is there a different function that > will only print what you have in the formatted string? > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>python ActivePython 2.7.2.5 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on Python 2.7.2 (default, Jun 24 2011, 12:21:10) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> print "1",;sys.stdout.softspace=0;print "2" 12 >>> >>> sys.stdout.write("1");sys.stdout.write("2");print 12 >>> In Python 2.x, the equivalent of fprint/fprintf is NOT print but sys.stdout.write/file_object.write "print" is just a convenience function that is designed to translate its arguments into a textual representation, and then drop it to the screen. Part of the convenience is to separate output items by a space and to emit a newline at the end. .write(), OTOH, does no formatting -- not even new lines. You have to provide all conversion to text, and line endings. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/