Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; ';-)': 0.03; '(using': 0.07; 'subject:data': 0.07; '128': 0.09; 'exists.': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'anyway': 0.11; "'ascii',": 0.16; '...)': 0.16; 'argument:': 0.16; 'decode': 0.16; 'encode': 0.16; 'encodes': 0.16; 'exception.': 0.16; 'lost.': 0.16; 'obviously,': 0.16; 'ran': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:changing': 0.16; 'trying': 0.20; 'looks': 0.21; 'wrote:': 0.21; 'exception': 0.22; 'passing': 0.22; 'unknown': 0.22; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'ignore': 0.24; '(which': 0.24; 'tried': 0.26; '(the': 0.26; 'defined': 0.27; 'originally': 0.27; 'done,': 0.29; 'keyword': 0.29; 'code': 0.29; 'setting': 0.30; 'raise': 0.30; 'options': 0.31; 'option': 0.32; 'work,': 0.32; 'operations': 0.32; 'subject: (': 0.33; 'byte': 0.33; 'bytes': 0.33; 'encoding': 0.33; 'problem': 0.34; 'skip:s 20': 0.34; 'probably': 0.34; 'too': 0.35; 'should': 0.35; 'beginning': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'subject:)': 0.36; 'text': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'thank': 0.37; 'peter': 0.37; 'some': 0.37; 'data': 0.38; 'something': 0.38; 'skip:" 10': 0.38; 'values': 0.38; 'skip:b 20': 0.39; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'name': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.62; 'back': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'between': 0.64; 'strings': 0.66; 'received:130': 0.73; 'mentioned': 0.78; 'secret': 0.79; '160': 0.84; 'actually,': 0.84; 'danger': 0.84; 'print()': 0.84; 'safest': 0.84 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.tu-berlin.de (including SpamAssassin) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:57:19 +0200 From: Peter Daum User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: "convert" string to bytes without changing data (encoding) References: <9tg21lFmo3U1@mid.dfncis.de> <9tg4qoFbfpU1@mid.dfncis.de> <9th0u8Fuf2U1@mid.dfncis.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1333033671 news.xs4all.nl 6846 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:22342 On 2012-03-28 23:37, Terry Reedy wrote: > 2. Decode as if the text were latin-1 and ignore the non-ascii 'latin-1' > chars. When done, encode back to 'latin-1' and the non-ascii chars will > be as they originally were. ... actually, in the beginning of my quest, I ran into an decoding exception trying to read data as "latin1" (which was more or less what I had expected anyway because byte values between 128 and 160 are not defined there). Obviously, I must have misinterpreted something there; I just ran a little test: l=[i for i in range(256)]; b=bytes(l) s=b.decode('latin1'); b=s.encode('latin1'); s=b.decode('latin1') for c in s: print(hex(ord(c)), end=' ') if (ord(c)+1) % 16 ==0: print("") print() ... and got all the original bytes back. So it looks like I tried to solve a problem that did not exist to start with (the problems, I ran into then were pretty real, though ;-) > 3. Decode using encoding = 'ascii', errors='surrogate_escape'. This > reversibly encodes the unknown non-ascii chars as 'illegal' non-chars > (using the surrogate-pair second-half code units). This is probably the > safest in that invalid operations on the non-chars should raise an > exception. Re-encoding with the same setting will reproduce the original > hi-bit chars. The main danger is passing the illegal strings out of your > local sandbox. Unfortunately, this is a very well-kept secret unless you know that something with that name exists. The options currently mentioned in the documentation are not really helpful, because the non-decodeable will be lost. With some trying, I got it to work, too (the option is named "surrogateescape" without the "_" and in python 3.1 it exists, but only not as a keyword argument: "s=b.decode('utf-8','surrogateescape')" ...) Thank you very much for your constructive advice! Regards, Peter