Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.04; 'output': 0.04; 'subsequent': 0.04; 'cache': 0.05; '__name__': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'expectation': 0.09; 'here?': 0.09; 'imports': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'instantiated': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'def': 0.10; 'files.': 0.13; 'static': 0.13; 'times,': 0.13; 'file,': 0.15; '"import': 0.16; '"real"': 0.16; "'r'": 0.16; "file's": 0.16; 'instances,': 0.16; "module's": 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:dip.t-dialin.net': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:t-dialin.net': 0.16; 'simulate': 0.16; 'subject:effect': 0.16; 'subject:import': 0.16; 'sys.modules': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'module': 0.19; 'variable': 0.20; 'define': 0.20; 'bit': 0.21; 'import': 0.21; 'regardless': 0.21; 'smallest': 0.22; 'suddenly': 0.22; 'demonstrate': 0.23; 'this:': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'random': 0.24; 'second': 0.24; 'script': 0.24; 'pass': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'looks': 0.26; 'correct': 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; '--------': 0.28; 'actual': 0.28; 'sensible': 0.29; 'case,': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'function': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '(and': 0.32; 'file': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'print': 0.32; 'anywhere': 0.33; 'asked': 0.33; 'problem': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'hi,': 0.33; 'or,': 0.34; 'third': 0.34; 'whatever': 0.35; 'similar': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'explain': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'subject:with': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'problems': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'object': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.39; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'kind': 0.61; 'between': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'miss': 0.75; 'bitten': 0.84; 'definitive': 0.84; 'approach.': 0.91; 'by.': 0.91; 'hundred': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> Subject: Re: Strange effect with import Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:37 +0100 Organization: None References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5084ada9.dip.t-dialin.net User-Agent: KNode/4.7.3 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356037912 news.xs4all.nl 6859 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34582 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35227 Jens Thoms Toerring wrote: > Hi, > > I hope that this isn't a stupid question, asked already a > hundred times, but I haven't found anything definitive on > the problem I got bitten by. I have two Python files like > this: > > -------- S1.py ------ > import random > import S2 > > class R( object ) : > r = random.random( ) > > if __name__ == "__main__" : > print R.r > S2.p( ) > > -------- S2.py ------ > import S1 > > def p( ) : > print S1.R.r > > and my expectation was that the static variable 'r' of class > R would be identical when accessed from S1.py and S2.py. > Unfortunately, that isn't the case, the output is different > (and R seems to get instantiated twice). > > But when I define R in S2.py instead > > -------- S1.py ------ > import S2 > > print S2.R.r > S2.p( ) > > -------- S2.py ------ > import random > > class R( object ) : > r = random.random( ) > > def p( ) : > print R.r > > or, alternatively, if I put the defintion of class R into > a third file which I then import from the other 2 files, > things suddenly start to work as expected/ That's the correct approach. > Can someone > explain what's going one here? I found this a bit sur- > prising. You should never import your program's main module anywhere else in the program. When Python imports a module it looks it up by the module's name in the sys.modules cache. For the main script that name will be "__main__" regardless of the file's actual name, so a subsequent "import S2" will result in a cache miss and a new module instance. Similar problems occur when there is a PYTHONPATH pointing into a package and you have both import package.module and import module Again you will end up with two module instances, one called "package.module", the other just "module". > This is, of course, not my "real" code - it would be much > more sensible to pass the number to the function in the > second file as an argument - but is the smallest possinle > program I could come up with that demonstrate the prob- > lem. In my "real" code it's unfortunately not possible > to pass that number to whatever is going to use it in the > other file, I have to simulate a kind of global variable > shared between different files.