Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'ascii': 0.09; 'counting': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'disaster.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'red,': 0.16; 'subject:Java': 0.16; 'unicode?': 0.16; '\xe9crit': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'byte': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; '----': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'needed.': 0.30; 'went': 0.31; 'away.': 0.31; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'usual': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'transition': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'john': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'forward': 0.65; 'finally': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python was designed (was Re: Multi-threading in Python vs Java) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:00:29 +0100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-19-253.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1381870836 news.xs4all.nl 15950 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38548 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:56860 On 15/10/2013 21:11, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: > Le lundi 14 octobre 2013 21:18:59 UTC+2, John Nagle a écrit : > > ---- > > [...] >> >> No, Python went through the usual design screwups. Look at how >> >> painful the slow transition to Unicode was, from just "str" to >> >> Unicode strings, ASCII strings, byte strings, byte arrays, >> >> 16 and 31 bit character builds, and finally automatic switching >> >> between rune widths. [...] > > > Yes, a real disaster. > > This "poor" Python is spending its time in reencoding > when necessary, without counting the fact it's necessary to > check if reencoding is needed. > > Where is Unicode? Away. > > jmf > I very much look forward to seeing your correct Python unicode implementation on the bug tracker. -- Roses are red, Violets are blue, Most poems rhyme, But this one doesn't. Mark Lawrence