Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ethan Furman Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: value of pi and 22/7 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:27:08 -0700 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <91940d31-1ff4-4267-9b07-445eca35d234@googlegroups.com> <5764a19c$0$1603$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5764B17C.3080809@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de +nkNhsSkPnA4F/NkcCEpkwB0VDIp0r7ms+hB8G8Tif0A== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.048 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'do,': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'digits.': 0.16; 'measurement': 0.16; 'notations': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'am,': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'figure': 0.27; 'followed': 0.27; 'not.': 0.27; '~ethan~': 0.29; 'subject:/': 0.30; 'maybe': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'mine': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'date,': 0.66; 'eight': 0.72; 'physical': 0.72; 'again!': 0.84; 'digits?': 0.84; 'phenomenon': 0.84; 'subject:value': 0.84; 'widespread': 0.91 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: <5764a19c$0$1603$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <5764B17C.3080809@stoneleaf.us> X-Mailman-Original-References: <91940d31-1ff4-4267-9b07-445eca35d234@googlegroups.com> <5764a19c$0$1603$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:110080 On 06/17/2016 06:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:49 am, Ian Kelly wrote: >> If I tell you that the speed of light is 300,000,000 m/s, do you think >> that measurement has 9 significant digits? If you do, then you would be >> wrong. > > Hmmm. > > If I tell you that some physical phenomenon [let's call it the speed of > light] is 299,999,999 m/s, how many significant digits would I be using? I know! I know! 9! > What if I tell you that it's 300,000,001 m/s? Oh! 9 again! > What if the figure to nine significant digits *actually is* three followed > by eight zeroes? Hmmm... thinking.... thinking... oh yeah! You put a bar over the last significant digit -- or you use scientific notation: 30e7 has two significant digits. > For all that it is in widespread use, I think the concept of "significant > figures" is inherently ambiguous. Not at all -- just have to keep your notations correct*. -- ~Ethan~ * Mine might be 30 years out of date, but maybe not.