Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: psss...I want to move from Perl to Python Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:12:10 +1100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 220cdea5rke7i91Sf1rGogRZvEYhefvpUq/BxoF7AY3g== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'compiler': 0.05; 'mentioned,': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'cursor': 0.09; 'grep': 0.09; 'ide': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'jan': 0.11; 'exception': 0.13; 'output': 0.13; '2016': 0.16; '3:51': 0.16; 'editor,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'ides': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'traceback.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'debugging': 0.18; 'runs': 0.18; '>>>': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'exceptions': 0.22; 'own.': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'select': 0.23; 'bit': 0.23; 'needed.': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'chris': 0.26; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; '(it': 0.29; 'editors': 0.29; 'feature,': 0.29; 'perl': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'too.': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'probably': 0.31; 'generally': 0.32; 'run': 0.33; 'usually': 0.33; 'idle': 0.33; 'jump': 0.33; 'traceback': 0.33; 'editor': 0.34; 'file': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'lines': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'display': 0.37; 'received:209.85.213': 0.37; 'integration': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; 'goes': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'subject:from': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'ever': 0.60; '30,': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'click': 0.76; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91; 'subject:want': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=b8q8ofupcSfwirh+gGA3AZOqHZGe/4cJc1PpT4MRA6o=; b=vFk6zM0f8XbCw18xT53YXhi4B5fy03JP6AIxg3DcN/0/MbkF4D2ndDncwWGHSybouE F23Oxbx85SKxeRLnObwQvQojJkWKXohOKCdFoO3NL4vKMLlP1AR5HMJdAFtYzDje0jql xuhrRkNHUYl3s9PSx3ix/jn5a39TQfWoa7nQ66jJ+8pzqXTKKwAPpby+7IxoH7gNwB09 BftBsaOSgWWKLWV8qtZPNxE+fJHMytLTy4G40HlCJXf+bwtKqvZTssGc0i2b7yIVCPjs cg5hT4WJ6Lqbt5bD4NKen0HXTrN7IAivxjx5D3J9qYFAg/owuxAXkHcvfobxhGz6r7+W FXAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=b8q8ofupcSfwirh+gGA3AZOqHZGe/4cJc1PpT4MRA6o=; b=H+Ze48Diy2V7NbdAM+8n7/gt3TYyBlep9H3mZ9HsmX61dSrH1BScxXK+rbeAayHJ9T vJXITCfmA2UOABWe44l/e9y9QHHdUOEoBDK3MC5N7k6ZqGxuBNa7oC65QLO5PakYF5Lt 7YAlYypFwmQ/l0az/45mSG8tiDgnS+g0sTf5L1fwBO7msGiBfdGJefqZlrlp1ix48OTS mv2/F7YORWa6OW+kBAnSA6xCnLe4yuKE5+8AeVaQ6wpPjP1wyjL23p6pki93E8uPu3va ObcE3bspG4FNVFCQ7lgLGcuqsrZN6Ac8KLVvPSijO0GMRNBwBYtTjH7UUyx+FxIG411w 8wcw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQdW0PKrkT9Q0gshHJGAoZPXPBLyiODcKoKo7/zto/9GqHcPN586cFy7e3UjLpL3472ffDLeSHZZ20zVw== X-Received: by 10.50.111.169 with SMTP id ij9mr641637igb.92.1454123530354; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:12:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:102272 On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 1/29/2016 3:51 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Fillmore >> wrote: > > >>> - Is there a good IDE that can be used for debugging? all free IDEs for >>> Perl >>> suck and it would be awesome if Python was better than that. >>> >> >> Debugging Python code is generally easy enough without an IDE; any >> time something goes wrong, you get an exception with a very pretty >> traceback. That's usually enough on its own. A little bit of editor >> integration can help you jump to the lines mentioned, in the same way >> that you might get that with C compiler errors; that's all I've ever >> needed. > > > When one runs code from an IDLE editor, output and exceptions go to the IDLE > Shell. Right click on a traceback line and select 'Go to file/line' and > IDLE will display the file in an IDLE editor (opening it if necessary) and > put the cursor on the proper line. (It does the same with grep output.) Yep. Same happens if you run the file from SciTE, and probably a lot of other editors too. I don't call them "IDEs" because of that one feature, but honestly, I don't need anything more of an IDE. ChrisA