Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'fixes': 0.05; 'one?': 0.05; 'subject:when': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'minus': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'run.': 0.09; 'willmer': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'construct.': 0.16; 'need:': 0.16; 'runs.': 0.16; 'scope,': 0.16; 'take?': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'slightly': 0.19; 'seems': 0.20; "doesn't": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'feb': 0.22; 'performing': 0.26; 'stuff': 0.26; 'code': 0.26; 'variable': 0.28; 'raise': 0.28; 'needed,': 0.28; 'avoiding': 0.29; 'problem': 0.29; 'print': 0.29; 'error': 0.30; 'alex': 0.31; 'reporting': 0.31; 'thu,': 0.32; "i've": 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'instead': 0.33; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.34; 'loop': 0.34; 'steven': 0.34; 'record': 0.34; 'subject:/': 0.34; 'surprised': 0.34; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'before.': 0.37; 'variables': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'should': 0.38; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'e.g.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'more': 0.61; 'choose': 0.64; 'care': 0.71; 'guaranteed': 0.77; 'general:': 0.84; 'hand.': 0.84; 'refuses': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: A quirk/gotcha of for i, x in enumerate(seq) when seq is empty Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:10:39 +0000 References: <14ba4b39-4066-4d24-89d7-3c7c85aab85c@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <4f46e329$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4F4708AD.1020805@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-123-195.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 In-Reply-To: <4F4708AD.1020805@stoneleaf.us> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120223-1, 23/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1330067451 news.xs4all.nl 6917 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34728 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:20783 On 24/02/2012 03:49, Ethan Furman wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:30:09 -0800, Alex Willmer wrote: >> >>> This week I was slightly surprised by a behaviour that I've not >>> considered before. I've long used >>> >>> for i, x in enumerate(seq): >>> # do stuff >>> >>> as a standard looping-with-index construct. In Python for loops don't >>> create a scope, so the loop variables are available afterward. I've >>> sometimes used this to print or return a record count e.g. >>> >>> for i, x in enumerate(seq): >>> # do stuff >>> print 'Processed %i records' % i+1 >>> >>> However as I found out, if seq is empty then i and x are never created. >> >> This has nothing to do with enumerate. It applies to for loops in >> general: the loop variable is not initialised if the loop never runs. >> What value should it take? Zero? Minus one? The empty string? None? >> Whatever answer Python choose would be almost always wrong, so it >> refuses to guess. >> >> >>> The above code will raise NameError. So if a record count is needed, and >>> the loop is not guaranteed to execute the following seems more correct: >>> >>> i = 0 >>> for x in seq: >>> # do stuff >>> i += 1 >>> print 'Processed %i records' % i >> >> What fixes the problem is not avoiding enumerate, or performing the >> increments in slow Python instead of fast C, but that you initialise >> the loop variable you care about before the loop in case it doesn't run. >> >> i = 0 >> for i,x in enumerate(seq): >> # do stuff >> >> is all you need: the addition of one extra line, to initialise the >> loop variable i (and, if you need it, x) before hand. > > Actually, > > i = -1 > > or his reporting will be wrong. > > ~Ethan~ Methinks an off by one error :) -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.