Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'toolkit': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; '"standard': 0.16; '12:57': 0.16; 'insofar': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'python".': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'tkinter.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'stefan': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'command': 0.22; 'platforms': 0.22; 'installation': 0.23; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'java': 0.24; '---': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'comparison': 0.31; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'idle': 0.36; 'ram': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'protection': 0.63; 'choose': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'between': 0.67; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'subject:Design': 0.78; 'all!': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'dozen': 0.91; 'choice.': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Is MVC Design Pattern good enough? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:16:47 +0100 References: <20140602175936.9341c3e8fb06c7e627ce559a@gmx.net> <87bnubtgcv.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20140609225632.942a3e42d9b05f050acd1b1d@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-146-4-197.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140610-1, 10/06/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1402424406 news.xs4all.nl 2887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51879 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:73113 On 10/06/2014 04:32, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: >> AFAIK standard Python has no GUI library at all, so Java SE >> and C# already are better than Python insofar as they >> include a standard GUI toolkit at all! In Python one first >> has to choose between more than a dozen of »GUI frameworks«, >> and then the result of the comparison between Python and Java SE >> would depend on that choice. > > Define "standard Python". I'm pretty sure a stock-standard Python > installation includes tkinter, although that may not necessarily be > true on all platforms. But personally, I'd rather use GTK than > Tkinter. > > ChrisA > IDLE is available on all platforms and is written in tkinter. But personally I'd rather use the command line :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com