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On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wro=
te:
>>>AFAIK standard Python has no GUI library at all, so Java SE
>>>and C# already are better than Python insofar as they
>>>include a standard GUI toolkit at all! In Python one first
>>>has to choose between more than a dozen of =C3=82=C2=BBGUI frameworks=C3=
=82=C2=AB,
>>>and then the result of the comparison between Python and Java SE
>>>would depend on that choice.
>>Define "standard Python".
>
>   =C2=BBStandard Python 2.7.6 (or 3.4.1)=C2=AB contains all those and
>   only those features that are available under every
>   implementation of Python 2.7.6 (or 3.4.1, respectively).
>
>   It is the set of features an implementation must compass to
>   call itself =C2=BBan implementation of Python 2.7.6 (or 3.4.1,
>   respectively)=C2=AB.

A circular and therefore useless definition.  Given any implementation
X and a feature Y not supported by X, one can equally well say that
either 1) X is not an implementation of Python because Y is part of
"standard Python"; or 2) Y is not part of "standard Python" because
implementation X doesn't support it.