Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.033 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'toolkit': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; '"standard': 0.16; '12:57': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'insofar': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'python".': 0.16; 'tkinter.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'stefan': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'installation': 0.23; 'java': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'comparison': 0.31; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'ram': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'first': 0.61; 'choose': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'between': 0.67; 'subject:Design': 0.78; 'all!': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'dozen': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'choice.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g5VjaNUZRCj3jIccLt1CqtPvwYbudtuxrNlxr82rFOc=; b=I1Km+rz+U2SgTBChv5gAkirLo/k8V0dRWQDxi/habLvMH1OT5fRwWtFXMU7Y9MHkvB pfoTLmB87f8r3iomy0xAAjUEJHrcL9Dkqkm5GyH9HnLNBUmu2GRhhhsYQ1G/jIqAJtbg 9PfjJraJK3L1LkE5z2J+cKN7ckW2Tr8gqPx5fnRnfBAWwNeFqoV9tvOtKlILzmA+9Lgb ngNF6+IJqzzCPhPPIW4/iBq/mkftMyruFXEv7wnndN/BGwnvLQ+J9FKreqYZva8sBmqy DxKKenpxOf+u0flbers2B5qU+SFKyTwfqmM1YW8kb1tXltV2e+kVewskFg/xCbhmckZm pOsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.133.6 with SMTP id oy6mr15779679veb.25.1402371154840; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 20:32:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140602175936.9341c3e8fb06c7e627ce559a@gmx.net> <87bnubtgcv.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20140609225632.942a3e42d9b05f050acd1b1d@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:32:34 +1000 Subject: Re: Is MVC Design Pattern good enough? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1402371156 news.xs4all.nl 2872 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53342 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:73066 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Stefan Ram wrote= : > AFAIK standard Python has no GUI library at all, so Java SE > and C# already are better than Python insofar as they > include a standard GUI toolkit at all! In Python one first > has to choose between more than a dozen of =C2=BBGUI frameworks=C2=AB, > and then the result of the comparison between Python and Java SE > would depend on that choice. Define "standard Python". I'm pretty sure a stock-standard Python installation includes tkinter, although that may not necessarily be true on all platforms. But personally, I'd rather use GTK than Tkinter. ChrisA