Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'say,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'happen.': 0.09; 'optimizing': 0.09; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'interpreter,': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'subject:Java': 0.16; 'unfair': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'written,': 0.19; 'instance,': 0.24; '15,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'supposed': 0.32; '(i.e.': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'subject: (': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'executing': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'slowly': 0.60; 'then,': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'fast,': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RD3JH3EDR347n1cLq5unmT2kgEpBgFbjmAM2dUid0/Q=; b=R0TAm1tg4xMWhGeiM7vJOcsSrwZTLCVG3dnSEP4INXSAJlkwahxjXCFSFWvl0uqKoP THZahFrZHJewXxXf9ABgiNQR1oryaN4+LujJUX5bp2bjoRnVH94o7biF+oufIzoXslNP zb4eja8/YYVV2K9V9T5RnpnRwcA5llJKyiPEseryDE49Z+Sa/jEi9NQDUEpasZlevcXU h91Av9sNnSxQHLNqAEsWbQ3wyDYzvttzSx5QYtX717Gra5RGShnc5jmprqO+npp+fYQr 9LEZMZLAMzkBvHntWLNQqocqOb8cWuoMYPM7tShQebgzKdPS/lMwm3dPwUVyaIqQu863 tHXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.203.34 with SMTP id kn2mr38649323pbc.82.1381803579503; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:19:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:19:39 +1100 Subject: Re: Python was designed (was Re: Multi-threading in Python vs Java) From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1381803587 news.xs4all.nl 16000 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42026 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:56838 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Mark Janssen wrote: >> "Naive", in this instance, means executing code exactly as written, >> without optimizing things (and it's not an insult, btw). > > In that case, you're talking about a "non-optimizing" interpreter, but > then, that what is supposed to happen. I don't think it's fair to > call it "naive". An interpreter can't guess what you mean to do in > every circumstance (threading?). It's better to do it right (i.e. > well-defined), *slowly* than to do it fast, incorrectly. The only thing that's unfair is the interpretation of "naive" as meaning somehow inferior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naivety#Science As you say, it's better to do it right slowly than wrong quickly. The naive method is more easily proven. ChrisA