Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'python': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'subject:files': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'suggest': 0.11; '*must*': 0.16; '3.2,': 0.16; '3.3,': 0.16; '3.3.': 0.16; 'caches': 0.16; 'compromise': 0.16; 'echo': 0.16; 'existence,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'redundant,': 0.16; 'redundant.': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:3.3': 0.16; 'switch.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'compilation': 0.17; 'directory.': 0.17; 'mechanism': 0.17; "shouldn't": 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'code.': 0.20; 'discussion': 0.20; 'tracker': 0.20; 'sort': 0.21; 'trying': 0.21; 'import': 0.21; 'developers.': 0.22; '(this': 0.24; 'random': 0.24; 'somewhere': 0.24; 'url:bugs': 0.24; 'specifically': 0.24; 'least': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'developers': 0.26; 'appear': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'module.': 0.27; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'initial': 0.28; 'run': 0.28; 'post': 0.28; 'about.': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'quoting': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'included': 0.29; 'source': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'gets': 0.32; 'problem.': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.32; 'file': 0.32; 'running': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'directory,': 0.33; 'subject: .': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'thanks': 0.34; 'exist': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'execute': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'usual': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'list,': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'link': 0.60; 'between': 0.63; 'details': 0.63; 'decided': 0.65; 'talking': 0.66; 'believe': 0.69; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Python 3.3 and .pyo files Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:54:12 -0400 References: <505dbb3c$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: <505dbb3c$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348354475 news.xs4all.nl 6987 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33668 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:29768 On 9/22/2012 9:21 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:46:08 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > >> On 9/21/2012 5:10 AM, Marco wrote: >>> I was trying to import a pyo module in Python 3.3, but Python does not >>> find it: >> >> You appear to be trying to *run*, not *import* a .pyo module. > > Marco is using the standard mechanism for finding, importing, and running > a module. I don't believe his use of -m should be a problem. It works in > 3.2, and it works with .pyc files in 3.3, I see nothing to suggest it > shouldn't work with .pyo files in 3.3. > > >>> $ echo "print(__file__)" > foo.py >>> $ python3.3 -O -m foo >> >> Since foo.py is in the current directory, I am not sure why you use '-m >> foo' instead of 'foo.py'. -m is for running a module somewhere on >> sys.path. > > Yes, and the current directory is on sys.path. > > I would be astonished if python -m could not find a module that happened > to be in the current directory. > > > [...] >> Also, the >> -O is sort of redundant, or perhaps interfering, since its usual effect >> to to say 'get and put, from and to the cache, .pyo instead of .pyc'. > > No it is not redundant. You link specifically to an bug tracker issue > below where is is clearly decided that if you want to run a .pyo file you > *must* use the -O switch. (I approve of this decision.) > > >>> /usr/local/bin/python3.3: No module named foo >>> >>> How come? Thanks in advance, Marco >> >> You might read some of http://bugs.python.org/issue12982 >> >> in particular, from http://bugs.python.org/issue12982#msg162814 > > Whose words are these following? > > >> Python interpreters exist to run Python code. The existence, >> persistence, and other details of compilation caches are >> version-dependent implementation details. Being able to execute from >> such caches without source present is also an implementation detail, and >> for CPython, it gets secondary support at best. (This is a compromise >> between full support and no support.)" > > I'm not sure if these are your words, or if you are quoting some random > commenter on the pydev list, or one of the lead developers who might > actually know what he is talking about. My words summarizing the discussion on pydev which included at least a few lead developers. My initial post was probably 6/12/2012 -- Terry Jan Reedy