Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: turtle ?? 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I > have created this text file that contains a lot of unicode characters > with their code points. Every once in a while I have to open the file > and copy and paste a character to, say, a Usenet posting. Cumbersome but > necessary. Part of the reason it's unsolved is that there are many different ways you might want to identify the character. Are you looking for a glyph by name? Grab the unicodedata module (or the \N escape) and print something out. (Works only if you know the exact name. A fuzzy match tool would be handy, and would be reasonably easy to build on top of unicodedata. Someone's probably done that already, but if not, it wouldn't be a particularly long script.) Are you trying to type text in a different script? Transliteration from/to Latin letters is probably the best way - either as an input method (I can right-click an entry field and select Cyrillic, and then "stop" comes out as "=D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BF" - hey look, it translated it into Russian as wel= l!), or as a dedicated transliteration script. Trying to type Latin letters with diacriticals? Dead key support is most likely to be the simplest - type the diacritical, then the base letter, and it enters the combined form. Or maybe set your keyboard so that Alt-` emits U+0300 COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT, and then type the base letter followed by Alt-` to add an accent. Not 100% sure what you want? Have a text file with all the characters you can't type and often want to use. Cumbersome, maybe, but not as bad as some other options. :) ChrisA