Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.309 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.40; '*S*': 0.02; 'tree': 0.05; 'thats': 0.09; 'random': 0.14; 'chip': 0.16; 'fail,': 0.16; 'failure.': 0.16; 'grounds': 0.16; 'hint': 0.16; 'macs': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'sink': 0.16; 'sink,': 0.16; 'soap,': 0.16; 'warranty,': 0.16; 'warranty.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'replacing': 0.19; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'quickly': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; 'too.': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; '350': 0.31; 'ball': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'controlled': 0.31; 'fans': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'weeks': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'url:non- standard http port': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'received:66': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'flow': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:unknown': 0.61; 'lost': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'card': 0.63; 'maximum': 0.63; 'box,': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1256': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'cards': 0.65; 'air': 0.66; 'mar': 0.68; 'book.': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'sunday': 0.68; '4th': 0.74; 'chinese': 0.74; 'gotten': 0.74; 'subject:This': 0.74; 'received:204': 0.75; 'article': 0.77; '165': 0.84; 'cent': 0.84; 'failures.': 0.84; 'fry': 0.84; 'shutdown': 0.84; 'try,': 0.84; 'volts': 0.84; 'old,': 0.85; 'boxes': 0.91; 'habit': 0.91; 'heat': 0.91; 'hot': 0.96 X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.0 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: ++ From: Gene Heskett To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: OT: This Swift thing Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 13:14:08 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:21:03 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1402248064 news.xs4all.nl 2924 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59198 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72980 On Sunday 08 June 2014 12:09:41 Roy Smith did opine And Gene did reply: > In article , > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > You may want to reconsider that statement after the first fan failure > > in your mini. We've had quite a few Mac's in the tv station, as > > video servers, graphics composers, etc. The airflow for cooling in > > them is controlled by baffles to get the maximum air flow past the > > hot spots, but a fan failure usually cooks the whole thing. And at > > that time, Macs warranty did not cover collateral damage from a fan > > failure. Cooked cpu? Too bad, so sad. > > The CPU (or maybe I'm thinking of the video card?) in the Dell has some > huge heat sink, a bunch of funky ductwork, and a dedicated fan. I > suspect if that fan were to fail, the chip it's cooling would fry > itself pretty quickly too. Probably. I have lost several nvidia video cards over the years from fan failures. My phenom in this box has a 75C shutdown that has not been tested. Best fan & sink assembly I could buy at the time. And I have gotten into the habit of replacing the 45 cent fans on the video card with bigger, ball bearing fans at the first hint of a squall. A lot of this stuff has more engineering time in assuring it will die 2 weeks out of warranty, than in giving top performance. And that goes double for stuff wearing an Antec label. I'm on the 4th psu in this box, its a $12.65 in 10 packs 350 watter, Chinese of course, running 4 terrabyte drives and a USB tree that looks like a weeping willow plus the original 2.1Mhz Phenom. 165 watts IIRC. I run gkrellm and watch its voltages. Now about 3 years old, the 5 volt line is still 5.08 volts. Whats not to like? The 2 Antecs I was dumb enough to try, had 5 volt lines down to 4.75 volts and doing random resets at the end of the 1 year warranty. Thats not an excusable failure in my book. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS