Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.050 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.01; 'python,': 0.02; 'alain': 0.09; 'subset': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'finds': 0.16; 'stuff,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; 'memory': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'figure': 0.32; 'except': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'received:10': 0.37; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'success.': 0.39; 'worry': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'management': 0.65; 'direct': 0.67; 'subject:This': 0.74; '2014,': 0.84; 'indirect': 0.84; 'instant': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=BHkvgI5LoC7Cisnt2scZ9xGix9keLOuugTJ0hMSsCLQ=; b=fkt1loayV5vU6gWpCA3CY3j8hncw9W5cd4qo5Lew5/O4HtmMf8xvptvuWwcQh1IeyX o5rcftBSiHtUG+L3hycBYKPSx9LEz2cTZqPLn2F1uFoEdN//XqpQtUcWYDSXUWlXyOUu fVPkBoJpj+2+/NhQTk72zNrkg60B6INeWEXfVU82ET+7Ii7tfqIDr+G2J6YqkQgMEodz yMLhUFtKsi6IFGRaZ7WKm9vnVjZSYb3Ymf+WkmTs4uBuckqwUUDOif03/aXYbJDZsbia cdf4C+9BffB0fg5p9dZtVvOOzFBUODfyxVSPQt+LcgbHYKPuVlYCf/kv4i3NnQF6FWP0 ojwA== X-Received: by 10.43.138.8 with SMTP id iq8mr2829764icc.37.1402036088350; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:28:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <8738fjkc2w.fsf@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <8738fjkc2w.fsf@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D201) From: Travis Griggs Subject: Re: OT: This Swift thing Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:28:04 -0700 To: Alain Ketterlin Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1402036090 news.xs4all.nl 2976 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35986 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72819 > On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:14, Alain Ketterlin wro= te: >=20 > Swift's memory management is similar to python's (ref. counting). Which > makes me think that a subset of python with the same type safety would > be an instant success. Except that while you don't need to regularly worry about cycles in python, y= ou do in swift. Which means you get to think constantly about direct and ind= irect cycles, figure out where to put weak stuff, when to use a local to kee= p a weak property alive until it finds it's strong home, etc.=