Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Why not allow empty code blocks? Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:28:53 +1000 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <5792cd34$0$1587$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87vazwppxx.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20160723082947.7cae8bd1@imp> <87fur0a44p.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20160723095441.29562c54@imp> <57939373$0$1586$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f14af95-de52-df47-9beb-b473bde0ec06@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de cvf3sSgnNKbLkvTRnPE6XwmyT1WyEZA2DW6PU+8UaRCw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'anyway.': 0.04; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'tests,': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'subject:not': 0.11; '2016': 0.16; 'bugs,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:allow': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'testing': 0.25; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'too.': 0.30; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; "won't": 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'course': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.70; '8bit%:40': 0.72; 'jul': 0.72; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'presence,': 0.84; 'ultimately,': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GTkV1L3GQdJ3+5b+zCBaE+Kl9+yLmwmaJmGRkyvVz+c=; b=l0PNhs41nLnui0q7xK9iXwPK9QddMkbaopDkTI11kKopcl7GFPLIHV/ucyVJzWbcRY b+cu91G+L9rWm7uIenfVOJTTgcACHwYHS7lrNbGRgihU5Q+Q22rps5gpaywPSwluLAIB qGMP1vI3U+MoYHxQRIeDnRxpO/Xb3jyZANN056gXOVFXssRcFGPIqvsuA2KVWn+yGWUr f4yMPNjWHMBCHeGjPwY2Yx4ERAUMojPauO8LBCUUXxxMc293DvvMGtQyya+4MHRBsZ1G HrnoAPSGCwo2C1MxUFRsZ71tHxYyxlKO6qpqOduDlgGNs/nOTg78LCbszUhd5u6YE9AS suqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GTkV1L3GQdJ3+5b+zCBaE+Kl9+yLmwmaJmGRkyvVz+c=; b=Ljatb8dA6MTpk1O+tm8XVYDBiUaNLKvmmsAwA2flqDsmUJyHlOxfI8RndiAptOiXO8 jEnjYA5168V09q0cAjN+dgD6R+NPMX4I19d1QEzFoq/BV1X31axiTNGwvh3YUnqNVR4C DemYrXdVTJXP7dCP6F12yMaaUJQm271sedfNqg8SMJARkglufuLXyvwhWN09HQozQqAR q4snHb5rowJ9FpOmBjMmWzc9NTPnusG3YxjEeBqt3tWbVakdvSN3itA5p2HoTXGSnGsY gWVN7REJhprH75UriXnPmrmwvp6+8dygbVI8o9jTsLdJO32tKjSX7LFc35aCsnvH/Shl HvHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoousIiU+0qsRUgaoqMk5sZg974RuyOkxm6TFberHglt7Qk2OQaMGiuGNM2DmdTxHfXoNTRiG/qzGB+9FP4w== X-Received: by 10.28.45.69 with SMTP id t66mr15014649wmt.41.1469417335508; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:28:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <5792cd34$0$1587$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87vazwppxx.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20160723082947.7cae8bd1@imp> <87fur0a44p.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20160723095441.29562c54@imp> <57939373$0$1586$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f14af95-de52-df47-9beb-b473bde0ec06@gmail.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:111854 On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> so ultimately, it all comes down to testing anyway. > > All?? > > There is a famous quote by Dijkstra: > =C2=ABTesting shows the presence, not the absence of bugs=C2=BB > > Or if you prefer things of a more =E2=80=98practical=E2=80=99 (so-called_= nature: > http://www.testingexcellence.com/reasons-automated-tests-fail-to-find-reg= ression-bugs/ If testing won't find the bugs, what will? By "testing", I don't just mean automated tests, although of course that's one of the most efficient ways. Dogfooding is an important part of testing too. ChrisA