Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'spaces': 0.09; 'to)': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'useful,': 0.14; '4:39': 0.16; 'dancing': 0.16; 'eat': 0.16; 'expected,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'silly': 0.16; 'somewhere.': 0.16; 'tab,': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'input': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'regardless': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'option.': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'actual': 0.34; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'shows': 0.36; 'displays': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'quote': 0.39; 'received:71': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'changed': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'space': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'rendering': 0.68; 'subject:This': 0.74; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'shows,': 0.84; 'treating': 0.84; 'picture': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Tabs (was Re: OT: This Swift thing) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 18:23:46 -0400 References: <34564700423508781.788278sturla.molden-gmail.com@news.gmane.org> <53902cc6$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1402007047 news.xs4all.nl 2873 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38291 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72777 On 6/5/2014 3:05 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 6/5/2014 4:39 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Treating \t as a single space would be pathetic but standard. Treating it >> as (up to) 8 spaces would be more useful, and standard. Rendering it as a >> picture of a banana dancing on the ceiling would be silly and non- >> standard. Not rendering it at all is even more stupid and less justified. > > <\t> would be better than nothing. Let us see what Thunderbird does > *now*. Maybe complaints prompted a change. Or maybe some clients eat > tabs upon sending. > > 4 spaces This is now 5 spaces beyond the added '> ' quote marker. > 8 spaces 9 spaces beyond ... > tab, which displays as 8 spaces on input Not literally 8 spaces, but one jump of 8 spaces. Anyway, it is now 5 actual spaces beyond '> '. Something changed somewhere. > 2 tabs 9 actual spaces. > Regardless of what shows, there is still no configuration option. And what shows is not what I expected, but better than the previous non-rendering. -- Terry Jan Reedy