Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.85.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'escape': 0.07; 'think,': 0.07; 'backwards': 0.09; 'imply': 0.09; 'models.': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'someone,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.10; 'vista': 0.13; '(just': 0.16; 'hacked': 0.16; 'recruited': 0.16; 'scratch': 0.16; 'wording': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'memory': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'changes': 0.20; 'mostly': 0.20; 'written': 0.20; 'earlier': 0.21; '2000,': 0.22; '4.0': 0.22; "user's": 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'tried': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'then.': 0.27; 'all.': 0.28; 'connection': 0.30; 'knows': 0.30; 'fri,': 0.30; 'requirements': 0.33; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'development.': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'received:192': 0.39; 'space': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'address': 0.60; 'system)': 0.61; 'between': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'video': 0.65; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.71; 'reply- to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'gain': 0.79; 'introduce': 0.80; 'compromised': 0.84; "driver's": 0.84; 'leader,': 0.84; 'to:addr:ntlworld.com': 0.84; 'angel': 0.93 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 07:44:24 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alister Subject: Re: Blue Screen Python References: <7c8701cc-1bc5-46ee-a83a-3e9a038ceada@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:01ce+JDh8VLUBVz3w8Vcr8ELYEh24RZORw1Jms1ZYG7 7kHqvYc8ASfZliQSOwQQBKSJOm9peGgG8QMu1FCEKKZw0H8rKX D5/Sy+CYJDSSkmntS8rQ6AFALq+ma1QRSsltfkvtFCNT11/GwX Cd6CojjHd/J5zkz7tjtYunkKQLBQI7gCLg0sscfKkAuizy2u2o poiVwJCBa1P/a8LJ2IxmYmc00pEx3kmDYN9SmL0RgN7iZuet7e zCimvozNHkmSmfqqKX6kfwnJPllyp/+Vjvz6H3rTgIYWyFzG3m v8N6JSqLc4cp1UaFxop6fY9QcClKo0A4La+Ar1esc+Ke0bOcg= = Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@davea.name List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348314294 news.xs4all.nl 6901 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43404 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:29743 On 09/22/2012 06:53 AM, Alister wrote: > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:47:57 -0400, Dave Angel wrote: > >> >> >> That's not true at all. You'd re thinking of Windows 3, Windows 95, 98, >> and ME, which were hacked on top of MSDOS. But Windows NT3.5, 4, 2000, >> XP, Vista and Windows 7 have an entirely different bloodline. >> >> NT 3.51 was actually very robust, but in 4.0 to gain better performance, >> they apparently did some compromising in the video driver's isolation. >> And who knows what's happened since then. > Although NT upwards has tried to introduce Your wording seems to imply that you still think NT was built on some earlier MS product. It was written from scratch by a team recruited mostly from outside MS, including the leader, a guy who was I think experienced in VMS development. The names escape me right now. But there were a couple of books, by Helen someone, I think, which helped us outsiders understand some of the philosophies of the development. > user-space requirements the > need to maintain backwards compatibility has compromised these efforts. > it is not helped by the end user's (just look at what happened to Vista's > attempt to make users authorise any changes to the system) > > I don't see any connection between memory address space user models and user security models. -- DaveA