Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'essentially': 0.04; 'statically': 0.07; 'obj': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'typed': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '(which,': 0.16; 'cleaner': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'stuff.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'bit': 0.19; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'comparing': 0.24; 'frameworks': 0.24; 'replace': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'worked': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'apple': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'received:178': 0.74; 'subject:This': 0.74; 'carries': 0.91; 'niche.': 0.91; 'swift': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Sturla Molden Subject: Re: OT: This Swift thing Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 18:09:53 +0200 References: <8738fjkc2w.fsf@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> <53907FC4.3000105@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-155-53-72-178.dialup.ice.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: <53907FC4.3000105@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401984609 news.xs4all.nl 2976 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54367 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72722 On 05/06/14 16:33, Michael Torrie wrote: > In any case I'm a bit surprised by people comparing Python to Swift at > all, implying that Python would have worked just as well and Apple > should have chosen it to replace Objective C. Because if you look at the spec, Swift is essentially a statically typed Python. Swift and Python will also be used in the same niche. C will still be used for low-level stuff. Swift is not a replacement for C. It's a replacement for Objective-C. > Swift provides a cleaner system > for developers to work in than Obj C did (which, by the way has > reference counting), but carries on the same object model that > developers are used to (and existing frameworks use). That is what PyObjC does as well. Sturla