Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.109.133.87.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.044 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.01; 'programmer': 0.03; 'suppose': 0.07; 'blue': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '(converted': 0.16; 'braces': 0.16; 'brackets': 0.16; 'color.': 0.16; 'curly': 0.16; 'delimiters': 0.16; 'denote': 0.16; 'discussion?': 0.16; 'from:addr:pobox.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:skip': 0.16; 'it."': 0.16; 'locally,': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'color,': 0.24; 'skip': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'long,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'change,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'everywhere': 0.31; 'indentation': 0.31; 'minor': 0.31; 'really,': 0.31; 'one,': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'right?': 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'realize': 0.39; 'structure': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'debate': 0.68; 'wish': 0.70; 'car': 0.72; 'subject:This': 0.74; 'day': 0.76; 'saw': 0.77; 'lack': 0.78; 'cars': 0.84; 'chevrolet': 0.84; 'flame': 0.84; 'programmers:': 0.84; "red's": 0.84; 'adopt': 0.91; 'hate': 0.91; 'tags,': 0.95; 'colleagues': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TZZ6KGmDNGLm7nC0W9KpnF5MU/YJpr17tCMpsoLFHnY=; b=yHiNfebkTL7Efa8XwCurfpyVweIu2zEy2s5eXCnv+EuvNIBiG7qT7CdNiVEkWQD7FP 8y4/6Hf/VofL3O1bZQwzSp4OopSsHTrKtVBOuyZztrEy22nDEpmhGinFxRL1uBuda4ts AKf1+TzeWOKJFVnKytVXh0upy95ljXhRAJEepWlmV7g1DWzWYyLM5Xyw/63Q4UWA3e3v LkrlvcWT4GZ8iVrMu5pcRWo7+kadHK2jurOOtihfxJBw6PGDQHKrIqrwefvqrnodSTgE 7xyKrpkoTzUCRfRpBixbQf5sYlPTgqDpUJ9pahQFEGcf+7S1pqHNKFImmFAGHJ+ltXZ3 wW4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.61.65 with SMTP id n1mr7716087igr.6.1401891858962; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: skip.montanaro@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <34564700423508781.788278sturla.molden-gmail.com@news.gmane.org> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:24:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e8iMrxIPyIcgMGGRtPpWJrALsoY Subject: Re: OT: This Swift thing From: Skip Montanaro To: Mark H Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Python X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401891868 news.xs4all.nl 2962 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58814 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72638 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mark H Harris wrote: > I have been engaged in a minor flame debate (locally) over block delimiters > (or lack thereof) which I'm loosing. Locally, people hate python's > indentation block delimiting, and wish python would adopt curly braces. Which reminds me of this note I saw the other day in a blog discussing JavaScript for Python programmers: "JavaScript uses curly brackets to denote code blocks. Python uses indentation. Get over it." Surely your local colleagues realize that Python has been around for 20-odd years now, that indentation-based block structure has been there since Day One, and that it's not going to change, right? Here's a (bad?) analogy. Suppose I really, really hate blue as a car color. Red's my favorite color. Blue's been around since, I don't know, a long, long time. Still I really, really hate to see cars painted blue. I really wish Chevrolet and Ford (Guido and the Python development team) would stop painting cars blue. Furthermore, I'm so disgusted by the color, I want the owners of all blue cars everywhere (every Python programmer in the world) to take them to Maaco and get them repainted red (converted to use curly braces or END tags, whatever). Why are you people even having this discussion? Skip