Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'tries': 0.05; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'naturally': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'zero.': 0.09; 'wed,': 0.15; 'all?': 0.16; 'descriptor.': 0.16; 'descriptors': 0.16; 'kernel.': 0.16; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.44': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:compute4.internal': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'linux': 0.26; 'error': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'subject:/': 0.29; 'parent': 0.29; 'returned': 0.32; 'file': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'except': 0.36; 'child': 0.36; 'should': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'seem': 0.39; 'why': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'close': 0.61; 'from:no real name:2**0': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'subject: & ': 0.73; 'child,': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.us; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=/si9puEFoNRYwCCe6dEioOt4npI=; b=NIuPwh 5WSwqDuHucn6Vo7b5qZQY0GWnTF4qm0NmpAIz/vKoG1ed3tC8/r8a+QmSNtyhn82 UY6HBpFgtJyyV8JL5sCUYSrdtl9vUPaLuytOZB7LrwPpwBdN547sokuWu3xHOntd WCy2n+hlFQWeiSaOKcT/U3Ity82WboLCVnJvE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=/si9puEFoNRYwCC e6dEioOt4npI=; b=cxxnvSIkHaIfd3EK4XsktQX3FnSNx7ZI5awI5H/NJV1NlVG QuNF4LyD24AJWQn7xil1nJsK4zLP5hZ56zvNnbC+CTTWkDJ3sEAmWqxw+G2ydOO/ q1ORvaclucA4/rD98oQ7smqg8379N3M6xG/4UjEa8gXfBgHcdDLxDui7bzwY= X-Sasl-Enc: lPXrLadjouv3MMvQ0qKuTibZUIzpaxsgxDBRrGJ73tTc 1433337679 From: random832@fastmail.us To: python-list@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-073992ec Subject: Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 09:21:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wpzl3pnn.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <87pp5eksnc.fsf@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> <87eglt7u5i.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87lhg1lt00.fsf@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> <87a8wh7nq6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87d21dl0jc.fsf@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> <877frl6xxj.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <556eee15$0$12975$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <878uc1567j.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87wpzl3pnn.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1433337681 news.xs4all.nl 2890 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37692 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91961 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 09:08, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > random832@fastmail.us: > > > Why does the child process need to report the error at all? The parent > > process will find out naturally when *it* tries to close the same file > > descriptor. > > That's not how it goes. > > File descriptors are reference counted in the Linux kernel. Closes are > no-ops except for the last one that brings the reference count to zero. > > If the parent should close the file before the child, no error is > returned to the parent. Why would the parent close it before the child? Your scenario doesn't seem to have anything to do with how people actually use subprocesses.