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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 12:27:36 +1000
Subject: Re: immutable vs mutable
From: Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> wrote:
> On 06/03/2014 06:14 PM, Deb Wyatt wrote:
>>
>> Mark Harris wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The examples deal mostly with names and scope. The article in my opinion
>>> confuses a Python concept which is otherwise very straight-forward which
>>> has been beat to death on this forum.
>>
>>
>> Well, I'm glad you find this concept straight-forward.  I guess I'm not
>>  as smart as you.  I won't beat it anymore.
>
>
> Deb, do yourself a favor and just trash-can anything from Mark Harris.

That may be slightly extreme...

> And keep asking questions.

... but this is definitely good advice. Want to get the most out of
your computer? Step one: Don't be afraid of it. Step two: Don't be
afraid of us, either. There's very little you can do on a computer
that's unexpectedly damaging, and it's easy to keep backups (tip: use
git/hg repositories and backups basically come "for free"); and we
don't bite, so keep on asking smart questions.

Want to be sure your questions are smart? Willing to put in a bit of
effort to make yourself welcomed not just courteously, but
enthusiastically? Check out this essay, one of the more famous ones:

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

There are tips in there that will help you to make those really
awesome threads that we all dive into and enjoy helping with. You
learn what you wanted to know (and probably lots more besides), we
enjoy a thoroughly discussed topic, and the list/newsgroup archives
add that bit more to the internet's corpus of useful knowledge.
Everyone wins!

ChrisA