Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'static': 0.04; 'syntax': 0.04; 'imho.': 0.09; "they've": 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'random': 0.14; 'brackets': 0.16; 'curly': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'retained': 0.16; 'semantics': 0.16; 'unicode.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'typing': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'memory': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'mix': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'created': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'are,': 0.36; 'performance': 0.37; 'how': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'more': 0.64; 'kept': 0.65; 'subject:This': 0.74; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=gw785zyg/rJBQgHdXwQy0E1Lr0ST6f+tPriSIe2onhQ=; b=ztg+QpeD4SD/QxbWFdkasrN1Dk90HIzqbEmOwonlMxiLu5cV8isd6OtTP/ANwxl29l xzavJl2LwiujLkiCgLVEIk+SIX+sMLQ5wraJ5FMLMFrknBVqujym0qNiuBZ+/bZ6r7mP Howbepa46bQfGwXmXBSO4/iVYrFexkd7vnoHppa4vFyBZhhfX45Z/dx81pizj7EZUp5z 2EtouEPX9QaP0reNg5oO7Ey38tAeWViRsvccNwt+fQoL9es5q6LXBZ1Z31/epviYZPtS NjYrL05NoOmFe4v5WvnzidaqYQIbdH/qYERcWDb8brxlzQWEhoohyWsyQA9hezUZARIH PFoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.209.233 with SMTP id mp9mr12783138vec.30.1401829299277; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:01:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1685918893423520358.034637sturla.molden-gmail.com@news.gmane.org> References: <34564700423508781.788278sturla.molden-gmail.com@news.gmane.org> <1685918893423520358.034637sturla.molden-gmail.com@news.gmane.org> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:01:39 +1000 Subject: Re: OT: This Swift thing From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401829302 news.xs4all.nl 2849 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72549 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sturla Molden wrote: > A Python with static typing would have been far better, IMHO. It seems they > have created a Python-JavaScript bastard with random mix of features. > Unfortunately they retained the curly brackets from JS... More important than the syntax is the semantics. Have they kept the embarrassment of UTF-16 strings? I skimmed the docs, and I *think* they've made it support Unicode. No idea how performance and memory usage are, but once you have the semantics right, you can worry about performance later. ChrisA