Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'static': 0.04; 'strict': 0.07; 'imho.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'runtime': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'random': 0.14; 'brackets': 0.16; 'curly': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'retained': 0.16; 'apps': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'typing': 0.19; 'not,': 0.20; 'seems': 0.21; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'stick': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'mix': 0.30; 'libraries': 0.31; 'created': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'surely': 0.36; 'clear': 0.37; 'apple': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'stock': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'full': 0.61; 'wish': 0.70; 'subject:This': 0.74; '\xe2\x80\x93': 0.77; 'banned': 0.84; 'cole': 0.84; 'swift': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Sturla Molden Subject: Re: OT: This Swift thing Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:43:06 +0000 (UTC) References: <34564700423508781.788278sturla.molden-gmail.com@news.gmane.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 202-83-11.connect.netcom.no User-Agent: NewsTap/4.0.1 (iPad) X-: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401828200 news.xs4all.nl 2852 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72546 Nicholas Cole wrote: > Of course, I wish they had picked Python rather than inventing their > own language. But Apple put a huge stock in the ability of their > libraries to make full use of multiple cores. The GIL is not relevant if they stick to the Objective-C runtime and LLVM. > The GIL is surely the > sticking point here. It is also clear (reading the Swift > documentation) that they wanted a script-like language but with strict > typing. A Python with static typing would have been far better, IMHO. It seems they have created a Python-JavaScript bastard with random mix of features. Unfortunately they retained the curly brackets from JS... Are Python apps still banned from AppStore, even if we bundle an interpreter? If not, I see no reason to use Swift instead of Python and PyObjC – perhaps with some Cython if there is "need for speed". Sturla