Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.nosignal.org!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.040 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'needed,': 0.05; '(it': 0.09; 'exist.': 0.09; 'spelling': 0.09; 'subject:()': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'cases:': 0.16; 'subject:3.3': 0.16; 'subject:unicode': 0.16; 'uppercase': 0.16; 'why:': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'stefan': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'this:': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'url:wiki': 0.26; 'rules': 0.27; 'question': 0.27; 'replace': 0.27; 'set.': 0.27; 'zur': 0.27; 'really,': 0.29; 'received:78.46': 0.29; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; "skip:' 10": 0.30; 'that.': 0.30; 'point': 0.31; 'problem.': 0.32; 'word.': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'acceptable': 0.35; 'replaced': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'das': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'far': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'url:en': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'think': 0.40; 'content- disposition:inline': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'real': 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'url:%1': 0.68; 'discover': 0.72; 'url:%9f': 0.84; 'why?': 0.84; 'jeder': 0.91; 'kennen': 0.91; 'neuen': 0.91; 'officially': 0.91 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:01:40 +0100 From: Stefan Krah To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() References: <2adb4a25-8ea3-441f-b8c0-ee6c87e4b19f@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2adb4a25-8ea3-441f-b8c0-ee6c87e4b19f@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1355929700 news.xs4all.nl 6861 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58826 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35128 wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: > But, this is not the problem. > I was suprised to discover this: > > >>> 'Straße'.upper() > 'STRASSE' > > I really, really do not know what I should think about that. > (It is a complex subject.) And the real question is why? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fes_%C3%9F#Versalsatz_ohne_gro.C3.9Fes_.C3.9F "Die gegenwärtigen amtlichen Regeln[6] zur neuen deutschen Rechtschreibung kennen keinen Großbuchstaben zum ß: Jeder Buchstabe existiert als Kleinbuchstabe und als Großbuchstabe (Ausnahme ß). Im Versalsatz empfehlen die Regeln, das ß durch SS zu ersetzen: Bei Schreibung mit Großbuchstaben schreibt man SS, zum Beispiel: Straße -- STRASSE." According to the new official spelling rules the uppercase ß does not exist. The recommendation is to use "SS" when writing in all-caps. As to why: It has always been acceptable to replace ß with "ss" when ß wasn't part of a character set. In the new spelling rules, ß has been officially replaced with "ss" in some cases: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/da%C3%9F The uppercase ß isn't really needed, since ß does not occur at the beginning of a word. As far as I know, most Germans wouldn't even know that it has existed at some point or how to write it. Stefan Krah