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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 18:31:09 +1000
Subject: Re: IDE for python
From: Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
> As a Finnish-speaker, I hope that patch doesn't become default behavior.
> Too many times, we have been victimized by the German conventions. A
> Finnish-speaker would much rather see
>
>    J=C3=A4rvenp=C3=A4=C3=A4 =3D> Jarvenpaa
>    =C3=96ll=C3=B6l=C3=A4 =3D> Ollola
>    K=C3=A4rkk=C3=A4inen =3D> Karkkainen
>
> than
>
>    J=C3=A4rvenp=C3=A4=C3=A4 =3D> Jaervenpaeae
>    =C3=96ll=C3=B6l=C3=A4 =3D> Oelloelae
>    K=C3=A4rkk=C3=A4inen =3D> Kaerkkaeinen

It's even worse than that. The rules for ASCIIfying adorned characters
vary according to context - M=C3=BCller and Mueller are different names,
and in many contexts should sort and compare differently, and I
remember reading somewhere that there's a context in which it's more
useful to decompose =C3=BC to u rather than ue. There is no "safe" lossy
transformation that can be done to any language's words, and this is
no exception. ASCIIfication has to be accepted as flawed; this issue
(an inability to handle non-ASCII labels) is similar to a lot of blog
URLs - http://rosuav.blogspot.com/2013/08/20th-international-g-festival-awa=
rds.html
is talking about the "International G&S Festival" awards, but the URL
drops the "&S" part. (If you absolutely have to transmit something
losslessly in pure ASCII, you need a scheme like Punycode, which is a
lot less clean and readable than a decomposition scheme.)

Of course, the better solution is to permit the full Unicode alphabet
in identifiers...

ChrisA