Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'thread': 0.14; '(must': 0.16; 'fail,': 0.16; 'globals': 0.16; 'threads,': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'raised': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'module.': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'process,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'safe': 0.72; 'risk': 0.72; 'potentially': 0.81 Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 13:59:55 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: daemon thread cleanup approach References: <368aec88-ebe9-4da0-a537-92ff9b690647@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3304.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.12.184.233 X-Exim-ID: 1WqTu7-00067h-ON X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.233]) [173.12.184.233]:37410 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3IzMzA0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401486404 news.xs4all.nl 2833 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72321 On 05/30/2014 01:47 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > > Don't use daemon threads, they are inherently un-thread-safe: any > global access you do anywhere inside a daemon thread can fail, because > daemon threads are still potentially run during interpreter shutdown, > when globals are being deleted from every module. Most functions you > might call are not safe in a daemon thread at shutdown. Given the use-case (must shut down, cannot risk a hung process, orphan files be damned) I don't think having a daemon thread die because it raised an exception trying to access a missing global is a big deal. -- ~Ethan~