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On 30/05/2014 18:07, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, May 30, 2014 10:08:04 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 30/05/2014 17:15, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 30, 2014 8:36:54 PM UTC+5:30, jmf wrote:
>>> It is now about time that we stop taking ASCII seriously!!
>
>> This can't happen in the Python world until there is a sensible approach
>> to unicode.  Ah, but wait a minute, the ball was set rolling with Python
>> 3.0.  Then came PEP 393 and the Flexible String Representation in Python
>> 3.3 and some strings came down in size by a factor of 75% and in most
>> cases it was faster.  Just what do some people want in life, jam on it?
>
> I dont see that these two are related¹
>
> You are talking about the infrastructure needed for writing unicode apps.
> The language need not have non-ASCII lexemes for that
>
> I am talking about something quite different.
> Think for example of a German wanting to write "Gödel"
> According to some conventions (s)he can write Goedel
> But if that is forced just because of ASCII/US-104/what-have-u it would justifiably
> cause irritation/offense.
>
> Likewise I am talking about the fact that x≠y is prettier than x != y.²
>
> In earlier times the former was not an option.
> Today the latter is drawn from an effectively random subset of unicode
> only for historical reasons and not anything technologically current.
>
>
> -----------------------
> ¹ Ok very very distantly related maybe in the sense that since python is a
> key part of modern linux system admin, and getting out of ASCII-jail needs
> the infrastructure to work smoothly in the wider unicode world.
>
> ² And probably 100s of other such egs, some random sample of which I have listed:
> http://blog.languager.org/2014/04/unicoded-python.html
>

I just happen to like fishing :)

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