Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!newsfeed1.swip.net!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.04; 'output': 0.05; '*not*': 0.07; '*is*': 0.09; 'latter': 0.09; 'parsing': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:script': 0.09; 'try:': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'hmm.': 0.16; 'minus': 0.16; 'mode,': 0.16; 'objects.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'repl': 0.16; 'script,': 0.16; 'shortcut': 0.16; 'subject:run': 0.16; 'syntaxerror:': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'print': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'adds': 0.24; 'script.': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'have,': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'breaking': 0.31; 'subject:from': 0.34; 'except': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'more,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'raising': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'received:71': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'anything.': 0.68; 'promise': 0.68; 'legal': 0.71; 'special': 0.74; 'beats': 0.84; 'execution.': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'hand,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: How to run script from interpreter? Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 11:24:11 -0400 References: <6e96c4c4-17db-464b-b291-816c534b70c4@googlegroups.com> <5386a7e2$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <5387d1c4$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5387e3b1$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5388233e$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53886b1e$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401463473 news.xs4all.nl 2829 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52711 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72302 On 5/30/2014 7:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Hmm. I'm not sure that "raises SyntaxError" is any less a part of the > language's promise than "evaluates to twice the value of x" is. Of course it is. A real SyntaxError cannot be caught immediately.* When new syntax features are added, breaking the raising of a SyntaxError is *not* a consideration. On the other hand, we do not freely change AbcError to XyzError even when the latter would be more 'correct'. * IE, you cannot type >>> try: .. except SyntaxError: print('caught') because the SyntaxError during parsing rather than during execution. > Also, consider: > >>>> for i in range(5): i*3+2 > > 2 > 5 > 8 > 11 > 14 > > If you do this in a script, it's perfectly legal, but won't print > anything. So the REPL is already "chang[ing] the meaning of otherwise > legal Python syntax", It does not change what is calculated. It adds introspection output as a convenience. The minus is that one may forget that it *is* an addition and use the shortcut when writing a script. (I know I have, occasionally.) > and what's more, it's making None into a special case: Which it is, as the 'zero' of the set of Python objects. >>>> for i in range(5): None if i%2 else i > > 0 > 2 > 4 > > Practicality beats purity. If it's more useful to the end user for > something valid-but-illogical to have a new bit of meaning in > interactive mode, I say go for it. I disagree. -- Terry Jan Reedy