Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.04; 'guido': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '(so': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; '"in': 0.16; '"python': 0.16; 'color.': 0.16; 'concurrency': 0.16; 'margin': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'user.': 0.19; 'shell': 0.22; 'installation': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'instead.': 0.24; 'issue,': 0.24; 'progress.': 0.24; 'paul': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; '[1]': 0.29; 'went': 0.31; 'are.': 0.31; 'larry': 0.31; 'python"': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'comment': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'ahead': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'legitimate': 0.39; 'received:71': 0.39; 'use.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'release': 0.40; 'healthy': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'march': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'url:p': 0.64; 'improvement.': 0.68; 'million': 0.74; 'satisfied': 0.81; 'bread': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'revive': 0.84; 'travels': 0.84; 'url:item': 0.84; 'differences': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 21:57:16 -0400 References: <7xha49wumw.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: <7xha49wumw.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401328660 news.xs4all.nl 2853 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39549 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72208 On 5/28/2014 3:49 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Larry Martell writes: >> Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: >> [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ > > "Python 3 can revive Python" https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 This makes the same false claim "It=E2=80=99s not like anyone is using Py= thon 3=20 anyway, (so go ahead and bread existing Py3 code". At least some of the=20 20+ million windows downloads must be in use. > long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D78018= 34 One legitimate request is better installation of dependencies, which is=20 in progress. This is not a 2 versus 3 issue, unless there are 3-only=20 improvement. Some want concurrency primitives like go has. Guido went for a new=20 module instead. I don't know what the importand differences are. Some want a better REPL, including color. The Idle shell already has the = syntax colorizing. I don't know what else might have been meant. > "Python 3 is fine" http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ In my opinion, about the best non-developer blog on Python 3 -- by a=20 sensible, satisfied user. "in March 2014 Python 3 downloads overtook=20 Python 2 downloads by a healthy margin 54% vs 46%." OK, that was boosted = by the release of 3.4. But the point still stands. --=20 Terry Jan Reedy