Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'encoding': 0.05; 'linux,': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'puts': 0.07; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'editor.': 0.09; 'happen.': 0.09; 'ide': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; '(windows': 0.16; 'considers': 0.16; 'cookies,': 0.16; 'default)': 0.16; 'encodings': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'ideal.': 0.16; 'unlikely': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'pushed': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'basically': 0.19; 'platforms': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; 'comfortable': 0.22; 'bytes': 0.24; 'certainly': 0.24; 'days,': 0.24; 'greg': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'allows': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'linux': 0.33; 'beginning': 0.33; 'development.': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'so,': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'driving': 0.38; 'writes': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'moving': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'analysis,': 0.60; 'around.': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'no.': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'save': 0.62; 'day.': 0.63; 'choose': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'default': 0.69; 'car': 0.72; 'day': 0.76; 'pain': 0.84; 'sound.': 0.84; 'from.': 0.93; 'relating': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7n7g70xE3IC8eDOfWOZotkjjAzSMNcprh+F699MLzqk=; b=uOoj9siMI9hQYGkvp63UkNUFn23IuwryQKDN4f3wMWCAm81ddC3bKt+h/DQgKwxFWw zUsECIJ5DazDwklv0OQO5svbQsaWTkQqTdBg3upysvuKLz9dUVrMjq6EXNjkL8WgpLGI MEFTGGOARs4+WewQuBC7FB5GxsbRoTT4s3TuGbcBPTm0IILYJ34gNp/0WeWpQ7PetA+O FLDvbFYrDIUPlO9XyUhjbAS9c6gWEa2vxfC6U997X49NQYPELJdWCV0dzY+Mcw3Gdnkc XnKdT7Mq5tHj1QFB3UauMuWgNWhxGcaG665IT9G7ckwDVKYL5f2YwRX8/TJYSjSHb7F6 Jo/w== X-Received: by 10.66.240.130 with SMTP id wa2mr4077534pac.73.1401326026149; Wed, 28 May 2014 18:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: IDE for python From: Greg Schroeder To: python-list@python.org Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 08:13:42 +0700 In-Reply-To: References: <87iooqw51z.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1401277601.6327.9.camel@greg-Lenovo-G480> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4-0ubuntu1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401326029 news.xs4all.nl 2863 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33387 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72207 On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 22:55 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Greg Schroeder wrote: > >> > Please suggest, if we have any free ide for python development. > > > > Anything that writes text is fine. > > I recommend the standard text editor for your OS (Notepad if you use > > Windows, Textedit on Mac, whatever is on your GNU/Linux distro by > > default) unless you know exactly what you don't like about it. > > No. Don't use Notepad for anything! It's easy enough to get a better > editor. Among its other faults, Notepad: > > 1) Has problems with LF line endings (they vanish, and you have hugely > long lines) > 2) Puts three junk bytes onto the beginning of a file that it > considers saved as UTF-8 > 3) Doesn't understand coding cookies, and will happily save something > in a different encoding like CP-1252 (which it calls "ANSI") > 4) Guesses encodings on load, giving rise to the famous "Bush hid the > facts" trick - although this is unlikely to be a problem with > something of decent size > 5) Has issues with large files - or at least, it did last time I > tried; this may no longer be true with Windows 7/8 > > Default text editors on the Linux distros I've used have been far > better, but still less than ideal. With Debian Squeeze, I got a gedit > that bugged me in several ways, which is what pushed me onto SciTE. > You can certainly start coding with gedit, though. The issues that I > had with it were relating to heavy-duty usage that I do, where I'm > basically spending an entire day delving into code and moving stuff > around. These days, though, I'd rather have one editor on both the > platforms I use (Windows and Linux, each in multiple variants), as it > allows me to share configs and comfortable keystrokes. There are > plenty of cross-platform editors to choose from. > > So, I agree with your analysis, as regards gedit ("know exactly what > you don't like about it"). If it doesn't bug you, use it. But if > Notepad doesn't bug you, *still don't use it*, because it's like > driving a car that isn't structurally sound. It might not be you that > gets hurt by it... or it might not be for quite a while that you see > the problems... but the pain will happen. > > ChrisA Well, learn something new every day. Any gripes against vim with some tweaks? Greg