Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'fixes': 0.07; 'rush': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '2.7': 0.14; '"every': 0.16; '"it\'s': 0.16; '"new': 0.16; '2.7?': 0.16; 'fancy': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'gonna': 0.16; 'saying.': 0.16; 'switch.': 0.16; 'underlying': 0.16; 'discussions': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'large,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; 'larry': 0.31; 'maybe': 0.34; 'problem.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'acceptable': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'project': 0.37; 'expected': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'company': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'investment': 0.66; 'improvements': 0.68; 'complaint': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'wait,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=R2c5v4QG9TQzaPHfZMJ7dXbCSlmLmfdrCoMm0PjkDnQ=; b=ssDkYCSXuvtSXaQhmos806p6tBEsu3DiABSC8yTjmW/0RzVjRoA+wGTDoMYHwSU0y9 urrUdclnRP04luZ0Uienn4/5vtCD+XvVrhCJyQdlyVdK1x7ElxGvvnWpfbm/le9U2N+D hDnBEQJ0oO9yyasTrzbOoQp3EzVwIDMUYTUcZs1m9Y9Fm1oQ8Er+aTThKTySII2VwBLS RA/GE0WCgF3WHTLDLnnxSQgCz4emG62QlkiCQffzWZ3YCBqM0WHfA2D7z+qRh5y+t6tk 3vKosa2Ufb4r+xZonSMLKumMSTn4E/M8UCskXQL3L8CCz7dvvlWk2/xWHgQkyGNKripf jYrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.74.201 with SMTP id w9mr2363087vev.56.1401308145372; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:15:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7xha49wumw.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 06:15:45 +1000 Subject: Re: Python 3 is killing Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401308152 news.xs4all.nl 2968 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39375 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72186 On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much of an > investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying. And that's not a problem. Every whinging blog author seems to forget that Python 2.7 support is going to continue for a long time! Yes, you won't get new features. But the recommendation is "new and unfettered projects should take advantage of Python 3", not "every Python 2 project needs to be ported". There've been some recent discussions about exactly what security fixes and improvements can be backported; the underlying guiding principle is "it's acceptable and expected that there will be large, net-facing Python 2 applications for the foreseeable future". Or maybe the complaint is that there are fancy new features in Python 3.x that aren't in 2.7? Oh wait, that directly contradicts the whine. So if Python 3 has added nothing, what's the rush to move onto it? Whiners gonna whine. ChrisA