Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'encoding': 0.05; 'linux,': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'puts': 0.07; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'editor.': 0.09; 'happen.': 0.09; 'ide': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; '(windows': 0.16; 'considers': 0.16; 'cookies,': 0.16; 'default)': 0.16; 'encodings': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'ideal.': 0.16; 'unlikely': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'pushed': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'basically': 0.19; 'platforms': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; 'comfortable': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'bytes': 0.24; 'certainly': 0.24; 'days,': 0.24; 'greg': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'allows': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'linux': 0.33; 'beginning': 0.33; 'development.': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'so,': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'driving': 0.38; 'writes': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'moving': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'analysis,': 0.60; 'around.': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'no.': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'save': 0.62; 'choose': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'default': 0.69; 'car': 0.72; 'day': 0.76; 'pain': 0.84; 'sound.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'from.': 0.93; 'relating': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=lGRM4hN2qocl2y+QHmd2tu1uuYuRPYxI25vWpd5/sfw=; b=LTsj9lt0EPr4cY7iGtbvqd6yeOsZuTUc+2fSzYM5kZwvQkKu4UspEz6lQag9jshYcL YjXUJT7RF2zQUx3w35PKVCsbOTYD7UovcZ4apkyuoQ5zfRkS0ym/Ii34lSGYg+OPLRWB jIctODR/o43FrF24khzFfT4LiYDsWQLlZC/YQaWd7idatmPMRjBSi6R/lgkXl3WQGLTj tG7qPN7ph85s59VwMjuVVqwqAVBMkKRx57sO8VLV1C4J2y827bBCbp+E8LkTZu6cUOPY 4KMqNMJGf+bb+djf8v6w7Bfabdqja1UBUKO3W3J5ZrEsjUQnXi8gcPUumZuQMgFfquI9 3wJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.30.14 with SMTP id sa14mr1100075vcb.44.1401281735979; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:55:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1401277601.6327.9.camel@greg-Lenovo-G480> References: <87iooqw51z.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1401277601.6327.9.camel@greg-Lenovo-G480> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 22:55:35 +1000 Subject: Re: IDE for python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401281738 news.xs4all.nl 2974 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39005 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72159 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Greg Schroeder wrote: >> > Please suggest, if we have any free ide for python development. > > Anything that writes text is fine. > I recommend the standard text editor for your OS (Notepad if you use > Windows, Textedit on Mac, whatever is on your GNU/Linux distro by > default) unless you know exactly what you don't like about it. No. Don't use Notepad for anything! It's easy enough to get a better editor. Among its other faults, Notepad: 1) Has problems with LF line endings (they vanish, and you have hugely long lines) 2) Puts three junk bytes onto the beginning of a file that it considers saved as UTF-8 3) Doesn't understand coding cookies, and will happily save something in a different encoding like CP-1252 (which it calls "ANSI") 4) Guesses encodings on load, giving rise to the famous "Bush hid the facts" trick - although this is unlikely to be a problem with something of decent size 5) Has issues with large files - or at least, it did last time I tried; this may no longer be true with Windows 7/8 Default text editors on the Linux distros I've used have been far better, but still less than ideal. With Debian Squeeze, I got a gedit that bugged me in several ways, which is what pushed me onto SciTE. You can certainly start coding with gedit, though. The issues that I had with it were relating to heavy-duty usage that I do, where I'm basically spending an entire day delving into code and moving stuff around. These days, though, I'd rather have one editor on both the platforms I use (Windows and Linux, each in multiple variants), as it allows me to share configs and comfortable keystrokes. There are plenty of cross-platform editors to choose from. So, I agree with your analysis, as regards gedit ("know exactly what you don't like about it"). If it doesn't bug you, use it. But if Notepad doesn't bug you, *still don't use it*, because it's like driving a car that isn't structurally sound. It might not be you that gets hurt by it... or it might not be for quite a while that you see the problems... but the pain will happen. ChrisA