Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'string': 0.09; 'methods,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'called.': 0.16; 'chr': 0.16; 'did.': 0.16; 'iterable': 0.16; 'len,': 0.16; 'magic': 0.16; 'notation': 0.16; 'ord': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; 'things.': 0.19; 'meant': 0.20; 'not,': 0.20; '(the': 0.22; '>>>': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'defined': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; '(like': 0.30; 'originally': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; 'produces': 0.31; 'them?': 0.31; 'types.': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'up.': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'one,': 0.35; 'operations': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; "i'll": 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'so,': 0.37; 'thank': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'received:71': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'day.': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'great': 0.65; 'messed': 0.84; 'operation)': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: confused about the different built-in functions in Python Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 14:51:05 -0400 References: <648e6136a80.00000651codemonkey@inbox.com> <6C977160E42.0000036Ccodemonkey@inbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: <6C977160E42.0000036Ccodemonkey@inbox.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1401130279 news.xs4all.nl 2834 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46663 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72083 On 5/26/2014 11:15 AM, Deb Wyatt wrote: > >> >> On 5/25/14 7:55 PM, Deb Wyatt wrote: >>> I am confused about how various built-in functions are called. Some are >>> called with dot notation >>> > >>> How do you know/remember which way to call them? >> It can be confusing. Generally, built-in functions (like sum, len, etc) >> are used when the operation could apply to many different types. For >> example, sum() can be used with any iterable that produces addable >> things. >> >> Operations that are defined only for a single type (like .isalpha as a >> string operation) are usually defined as methods on the type. >> >> This is not a black/white distinction, I'm sure there are interesting >> counter-examples. But this is the general principle. Part of the answer is Python's history. Up to about 2.1, most built-in types did not have methods, though I know lists did. Ints and strings did not, or chr and ord might have been int.chr() and str.ord(). (The current string methods were originally functions in the string module.) > Thank you for answering. I meant to send this to the tutor list, but messed up. > So, I guess there isn't a magic answer to this one, and I'll learn > as I learn the language. Have a great day. -- Terry Jan Reedy