Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ian Kelly Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:40:23 -0700 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <48762040-a7e0-434c-92e8-8a0969210e5b@googlegroups.com> <5d31dd14-1a60-4f80-8889-d0616f404c70@googlegroups.com> <4e902c58-3370-4adf-905d-74630a6eea90@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de /45nQXfOc+PSNoLRxg/ZIgXZWMju6O37KL3cbbOEJzmw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'guido': 0.05; 'python3': 0.05; 'incompatible': 0.07; 'wednesday,': 0.07; 'backwards': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'python.': 0.11; 'language,': 0.11; '2016': 0.16; 'devs': 0.16; 'disaster.': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'obviously,': 0.16; 'python3.': 0.16; 'python4': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:PYTHON': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'python?': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'changes': 0.20; '4.0': 0.22; 'planned': 0.22; 'feb': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; "doesn't": 0.26; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "can't": 0.32; 'core': 0.32; 'non': 0.32; 'point': 0.33; 'problem': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'notes': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'johnson': 0.37; 'release': 0.37; 'version': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; "didn't": 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'john': 0.61; 'further': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'complete': 0.63; 'great': 0.63; 'future.': 0.67; 'talking': 0.67; 'introduce': 0.79; 'aiui': 0.84; 'empire': 0.84; 'to:name:python': 0.84; 'subject:THE': 0.91; 'besides,': 0.93; 'lucas': 0.93; 'rick': 0.93; 'subject:AND': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=PepYGx/mMz8NJGmYqiTJ4Dmo0sRgM5y8BcOQrsXT75Q=; b=VAiNJ/oJqJkzudwN5X/NGm7wTAvDyTQ08D63mUxoxb/DoMtTpVjHimAQQpBCdxEque bxfGQ7w84aCE1wZQGAZxV4YKZ7L2SMun/jmOY21L3b5X6SEgj51+0kXjQ3yuP69ndujF alYPAv7yUyOEvvSf/1yWi/xcy1DZ8bK+AO1MIegvX3BrCqXrk+8bFt2tzQeJ2y8Hm/Sf W9P80GYsw6TedNUcLvZ9aR/Ddevy61XlhXMsjJivg9DKJwSdNV8BItPhOm6n7T9YKQSG FmoKRH0CxdajNGQ6MYaGE+VWcTKmCwHINPkpV1rzLxs8f3RZhvUTP0W7FbrwCu6WhynE pbyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=PepYGx/mMz8NJGmYqiTJ4Dmo0sRgM5y8BcOQrsXT75Q=; b=JKkk/Hz2tzYZTCdoOiuRF41wAyKdy5WiAwkJdNKVyGJijAcO2IBQdLJywsdnNHj2C2 37hCTBNEFQ1rOSDB9W8J26MNu0WScrKQGg2xB7V4P4Dma/+O/ycbpThEeWCPGUB5CiuI +2AunVEVHcsOkRkVUsmIB0odvSiy18ZkyKUb5HEceCLRAAmSmvTvZzlnaaVxWw5rWVfC hWFOzJ5PfqU5CJBQkwVErHTbflWEZS/tKvQaOKuaXPcR+13y+3vxcTqX5Dnog5dnxlIu eejy+M0SvA70mpZmct05bUtADcChsTdOUDdyWWm7TXzYTQlYUSSdRXBN8XLJm6Dpl80z 8qFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSbznm5Yds7o8vOczXz5AOT/7s8xb33c9UCXXLi9MY8/fL08T9eu12GzJCjC5SLvTbC6n04Lnpm6fmDfg== X-Received: by 10.107.19.90 with SMTP id b87mr32088181ioj.11.1454946063189; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 07:41:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4e902c58-3370-4adf-905d-74630a6eea90@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21rc2 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:102679 On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-6, John Ladasky wrote: > >> Rick, you don't like Python? > > If i didn't like Python, then i would happily let it self- > destruct, yes? The problem is, i *DO* like Python. Python2 > was a great language, but python3 has been a disaster. Heck, > even the BDFL has warned that Python4 cannot introduce as > many backwards incompatible changes as python3. So obviously, > he is admitting that Python3 was a disaster. That's a complete non sequitur. "George Lucas notes that he can't pull the Darth Vader reveal again. So obviously, he is admitting that Empire Strikes Back was a disaster." Besides, you're forgetting that the whole point of having so many backwards incompatible changes in Python 3 in the first place was to get them out of the way and not have to do them further into the future. Python 4.0 has never been planned to be anything more than an incremental release like Python 2.0, and AIUI the only reason any of the core devs are even talking about Python 4 at this point in time is because Guido doesn't like "3.10" as a version number.