Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'line:': 0.07; 'accuracy.': 0.09; 'def': 0.14; 'alpha,': 0.16; 'b):': 0.16; 'calculates': 0.16; 'cases:': 0.16; 'digits.': 0.16; 'examples:': 0.16; 'posted,': 0.16; 'skip:1 60': 0.16; 'skip:7 20': 0.16; 'subject:distance': 0.16; 'to:name:python list': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'comparing': 0.18; '>>>': 0.20; 'compare': 0.20; '2015': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'not.': 0.27; 'skip:f 40': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'decimal': 0.29; 'lies': 0.29; 'methods.': 0.29; 'point.': 0.29; 'correct': 0.29; 'print': 0.31; 'source': 0.31; "can't": 0.32; 'point': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'add': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'brian': 0.36; "let's": 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'should': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; '(2)': 0.37; "won't": 0.38; 'difference': 0.38; 'ones': 0.38; '(1)': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.39; 'expect': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; 'bottom': 0.61; 'fun': 0.61; 'subject:more': 0.61; 'show': 0.62; 'more': 0.62; 'between': 0.65; 'obvious': 0.72; 'oscar': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=8OAmiVvZ7VflEzz5Qw1XbcvUgDPV409jTqhy7/QtiGs=; b=rTsRkgVGxHUDOOryWy4iQ2GdAWv5+d7I2tPS/wiOZEdXIq4ow1Ay+U8bHWb9lmjWp2 qI12HrP77o/AuQxmaE3PzVtEwbyjC0uzUPB9PDB7N8jmu2UKTZ3XuEZYNR3q7vQNLzD3 QMXiNYeP3OsDO3ucnlXqGzEzvbBS9FfmiCq4r7MYhYkUT72SeV4F1RC48ZA+qCrYIsQX uuBoFy5R5DhurNC8VlntDtiFx/wi3IG/SIazTixDgyJXD+AsDZRMHboh+fMzLpJyDNlq OYe9I5ATgI6sKwaJbGbQyrjq7zFTxrVl0Y5B4oQX5tUhE5IEbj2ZltA0n6+cv5qRGd1C Ek9w== X-Received: by 10.194.118.167 with SMTP id kn7mr24693303wjb.113.1432764249698; Wed, 27 May 2015 15:04:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5563e453$0$12990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Oscar Benjamin Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 23:03:49 +0100 Subject: Re: a more precise distance algorithm To: Python List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 84 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432764252 news.xs4all.nl 2887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37486 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91327 On 27 May 2015 at 19:00, Brian Blais wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> Let's compare three methods. >> >> def naive(a, b): >> return math.sqrt(a**2 + b**2) >> >> def alternate(a, b): >> a, b = min(a, b), max(a, b) >> if a == 0: return b >> if b == 0: return a >> return a * math.sqrt(1 + b**2 / a**2) > > >> d1 = naive(a, b) >> d2 = alternate(a, b) >> d3 = math.hypot(a, b) >> > >> which shows that: >> >> (1) It's not hard to find mismatches; >> (2) It's not obvious which of the three methods is more accurate. >> > > Bottom line: they all suck. :) > > I ran the program you posted, and, like you, got the following two examples: > > for fun in [naive, alternate, math.hypot]: > print '%.20f' % fun(222.44802484683657,680.255801504161) > > 715.70320611153294976248 > 715.70320611153283607564 > 715.70320611153283607564 > > and > > for fun in [naive, alternate, math.hypot]: > print '%.20f' % fun(376.47153302262484,943.1877995550265) > > 1015.54617837194291496417 > 1015.54617837194280127733 > 1015.54617837194291496417 > > but when comparing to Wolfram Alpha, which calculates these out many > more decimal places, we have for the two cases: > > 715.7032061115328768204988784125331443593766145937358347357252... > 715.70320611153294976248 > 715.70320611153283607564 > 715.70320611153283607564 > > 1015.546178371942943007625196455666280385821355370154991424749... > 1015.54617837194291496417 > 1015.54617837194280127733 > 1015.54617837194291496417 > > where all of the methods deviate at the 13/14 decimal place. So they have 12/13 correct digits after the decimal point. Including the digits before the decimal point they all have 15/16 correct decimal digits. This is exactly what you should expect when using double precision floating point. Feel free to print as many digits as you like but the extra ones won't add any more accuracy. The difference between the answers you showed are just 1 ULP: >>> a = 715.70320611153283607564 >>> b = 715.70320611153294976248 >>> a 715.7032061115328 >>> a + 5e-14 715.7032061115328 >>> a + 6e-14 715.703206111533 >>> a + 6e-14 == b True Since you don't show the source numbers we can't know whether the true result lies between these two or not. Oscar