Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'third-party': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '(aka': 0.09; 'code"': 0.09; 'runtime': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'times,': 0.14; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'bsd': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'ironpython': 0.16; 'pushing,': 0.16; 'somehow,': 0.16; 'stuff.': 0.16; 'apps': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'slightly': 0.19; 'successful,': 0.19; 'rules': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'requirement.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '(maybe': 0.31; 'everywhere': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'mac': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'crazy': 0.36; 'words,': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'heard': 0.39; 'major': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'kind': 0.63; 'phone': 0.66; 'mar': 0.68; '2015': 0.84; 'abandon': 0.84; "it'd": 0.84; 'jonas': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; 'swift': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'imagine': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=29j8xTniKbe7jZAyHWamATmZBfT417RZqE1p7BFHZ2k=; b=xgZ53q7qUHG7xDb7hKXK1IqdkmBR/OFg/eoNbdk4fHmP/4RSq9HCopvkteKuL00TDO eKRkJ2TrXEmg0moDlOQ4sVBIY5RUcKJjTd6m9AT0vCZYhEFqNUXPYfciEczdWoQVQLCE 9qyEThITeHb88vNCIHE+5YmXIjyq4F/LIKxorkyMNDChjhLL2uOytDw106xt+YpU1aHv XrBSCGFqWGKEMSHJgfMvQtThbN+Jo/Rdg+de/K34uTeKXOeAQdT810RoYGBNN0fJUgf4 5DGwb+HqDuiC7KpU7lUx++BbGkVXMQZ2NWu1BKyq+ahJMvxFIW6P1YMkhUsa2QawiUKf hy6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.131.196 with SMTP id oo4mr27001795igb.2.1425636564998; Fri, 06 Mar 2015 02:09:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54F95032.9010000@wielicki.name> References: <7053A277-9687-49B0-9FDB-CB4DB3E76DEC@gmail.com> <54F0E38D.40006@davea.name> <54f274bb$0$13011$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54F95032.9010000@wielicki.name> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 21:09:24 +1100 Subject: Re: Python Worst Practices From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425636573 news.xs4all.nl 2934 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87010 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On 01.03.2015 03:43, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Imagine if all >> your Python code ran twice as fast (that's slightly better than the >> IronPython figure quoted!), but worked only on BSD Unix and Mac OS. Is >> that something that'll make a fledgling language succeed? > > I heard that Swift and Objective-C are quite popular these days. > > regards, > jwi In other words, it requires major pushing from the platform vendor. It'd be impossible for some third-party to make a language that successful, I expect. And even *with* that kind of pushing, it's pretty chancy; there was a time (maybe times, I don't remember) when Microsoft tried hard to require "managed code" everywhere (aka ".NET runtime only"), and the push-back was so strong that they had to abandon the requirement. But somehow, people accept rules about phone apps that they wouldn't accept about desktop apps... crazy stuff. ChrisA