Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; 'programmer': 0.03; 'interpreter': 0.05; '(especially': 0.07; 'bits': 0.09; 'exec': 0.09; 'predefined': 0.09; 'project"': 0.09; 'subject:files': 0.09; 'subject:modules': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '2),': 0.16; 'c/c++,': 0.16; 'class).': 0.16; 'filename:fname piece:signature': 0.16; 'it;': 0.16; 'received:192.168.1.20': 0.16; 'url:ch': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'pointed': 0.19; 'stefan': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'integer': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'script': 0.25; 'push': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'dropped': 0.31; 'loading': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'there.': 0.32; 'figure': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'subject:from': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'c++': 0.36; 'ram': 0.36; 'tech': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'actions': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; '(from': 0.39; 'embedded': 0.39; 'launch': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'und': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'worry': 0.60; 'from:charset:utf-8': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'reach': 0.63; 'soon': 0.63; 'sincerely': 0.63; 'map': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'kept': 0.65; 'land': 0.65; 'export': 0.74; 'doable': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; 'utmost': 0.84; 'url:php': 0.85; 'yours': 0.88; 'demand': 0.91; 'involved.': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.93; 'obtained': 0.96 Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 18:37:46 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Um9sYW5kIFBsw7xzcw==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Loading modules from files through C++ References: <5376ACE7.8030706@rptd.ch> <53775D68.2010009@rptd.ch> <537768FB.7060303@rptd.ch> <53778005.8030105@rptd.ch> <53778E22.3040701@rptd.ch> <53790CCF.1070905@rptd.ch> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fLn3CLhNCa5EDBr7So7k3lT8pcgpsauQ" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 69 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1400517468 news.xs4all.nl 2872 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39751 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71767 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --2fLn3CLhNCa5EDBr7So7k3lT8pcgpsauQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/19/2014 03:40 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Roland Pl=C3=BCss wro= te: >> This exec source_code in module.__dict__ , should this not also be doa= ble >> with PyEval_EvalCode? > General principle: The more code you write in Python and the less in > C/C++, the happier and more productive you will be. > > Drop into Python as soon as you can, and do all the work from there. > You won't have to worry about RAM (de)allocation, Unicode (especially > if you use Python 3 rather than 2), integer overflow, etc, etc, etc. > Only write lower-level code for the bits that actually demand it; and > as Stefan has pointed out, Cython is a great help there. > > (Which reminds me. I still need some "excuse project" to justify my > learning Cython. It's good-looking tech but everything I can imagine > writing seems to already exist.) > > ChrisA Cython is out of question since link time dependencies has to be kept at an utmost minimum. An concerning doing things from python code it's simply not possible (or I don't know how this should work). Python is fully embedded including any file actions (virtual file system). The launch comes from C++ land. No interpreter is involved. The main work is done outside Python and only dropped in python to do higher logic. This also means the very first python code run requires a C++ script file loading before this first code can ever run. I can't run code that doesn't yet exist in the reach of the python VM. That's the main problem. This is why I need to figure out how to push that first code into Python in a way I can construct an object (from a predefined class). From there on all calls into Python land are solely done trough function calls on this one object obtained in the beginning. I see no other way to handle the problem. --=20 Yours sincerely Pl=C3=BCss Roland Leader and Head Programmer - Game: Epsylon ( http://www.indiedb.com/games/epsylon ) - Game Engine: Drag[en]gine ( http://www.indiedb.com/engines/dragengine , http://dragengine.rptd.ch/wiki ) - Normal Map Generator: DENormGen ( http://epsylon.rptd.ch/denormgen.php = ) - As well as various Blender export scripts und game tools --2fLn3CLhNCa5EDBr7So7k3lT8pcgpsauQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlN6M2IACgkQjKGu9ysRWfrtWQCdGPAkKvyKkcyyYeUos84quSBO LJAAn1nVBPIweO3s3alTDbHsUKjcRyYI =j0gj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fLn3CLhNCa5EDBr7So7k3lT8pcgpsauQ--