Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'extent': 0.07; 'permitted': 0.07; 'indication': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'says.': 0.09; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.09; 'finney': 0.16; 'holder,': 0.16; 'ideally,': 0.16; 'infringed': 0.16; 'kern': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reserves': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'work"': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'helpful': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'robert': 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'assert': 0.31; 'end,': 0.31; 'holders': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'themselves': 0.32; 'everyone': 0.33; '(i.e.': 0.33; 'becomes': 0.33; 'role': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'expensive': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'future': 0.60; 'reserved': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'effectively': 0.66; 'license': 0.66; 'burden': 0.68; 'judge': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'us,': 0.73; 'yourself': 0.78; 'received:125': 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\x9cthis': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'subject:want': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Everything you did not want to know about Unicode in Python 3 Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 21:05:34 +1000 References: <82899649-014a-4309-b06e-b981fc6921fa@googlegroups.com> <201405130145.05995.gheskett@wdtv.com> <857g5q9pvk.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <53722081$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5372b091$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5xJcv.77901$dT1.66255@fx12.am4> <5376b63b$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Y7P8xhHmm6CzreE8GGB0BhzAN8w= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1400324748 news.xs4all.nl 2869 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39295 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71677 Chris Angelico writes: > On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Robert Kern wrote: > > There is such a thing as the public domain in the US, and there are works in > > it, but there isn't really such a thing as "placing a work" there > > voluntarily, as Grant says. A work either is or isn't in the public domain. > > The author has no choice in the matter. > > Then what's copyright status on PEPs? My guess: They are in the default copyright status, with all rights reserved (i.e. everything that copyright law restricts, is forbidden to the recipient). But, if any of those copyright holders were ever to assert their copyright had been infringed by some recipient, the “this work is in the public domain” or equivalent would be taken as a clear indication of the *intent* of the copyright holder. Ultimately, what matters is the determination of whatever judge you find yourself facing. To that end, clarifying in the copyright statement and license terms exactly what is permitted can be immensely helpful in foreshortening and, ideally, avoiding a future copyright suit. Copyright is a ridiculous burden on everyone — to the extent that even those copyright holders who don't *want* those rights which the law reserves to the copyright holder, and want to divest themselves of the role of copyright holder, find it frustratingly difficult to do so effectively across jurisdictions. -- \ “Computer perspective on Moore's Law: Human effort becomes | `\ twice as expensive roughly every two years.” —anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney